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 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:41 pm
I was reading on a website, and a person was bashing the "how to draw manga" books and other "how to draw" books. They said that if one really wanted to draw, they HAVE TO start with realism, then work backward to cartoons, manga, etc. While I do agree that realism does help a lot, I honestly think that this is the person's own opinion. The book that they were bashing was a Zelda; How to draw books. These particular books are aimed at children and start off with lines, circles, etc. For some of us beginners, we need these lines and circles I see that some artists have a real negative view toward anime drawing, often calling it "not real art". Once, an art teacher said that art schools were getting frustrated because potential art students would send in portfolios with excellent drawings of anime/manga but dont get accepted. I have known people and I have friends whom have never drew "realistic" people on paper but their work with manga drawing looks superb! Personally, I do not prefer drawing realism. I dont like it. It is helpful, but I dont like it. Especially for those of us who take up drawing as a hobby and are not planning to be manga-ka's or take up art careers. My reasons for not preferring realism are: I like drawing in a fantasy style, I dont want to spend time with the deep shading, EXACT detail(s). The only thing that I do agree with is anatomy, that helps a lot! Here is the website I was referring to. So what do you think? - Does one have to know how to draw realistic drawings in order to just draw manga? - Is realism a MUST for drawing manga? - Does one HAVE TO draw realism just to draw manga? - Are comments like these in the website often the negative views toward drawing manga style? EDIT: I hear people saying and advising to draw from life, and I think they are right. However, what I mean is that I dont want to go as far as lets say like how Da Vinci, Michelangelo, PIcasso, and other artists have.
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:22 am
The word "realism" is used so loosely these days.
When they say "draw realism instead of anime," I think they're more referring to drawing from life, which emulates a more realistic feel than, say, drawing anime. Trying to draw photo-realistically will do an anime artist little good in my mind, other than probably getting a better grip on values and shading.
Realism isn't a "must" when drawing to anime, especially if you consider drawing more of a hobby than a career choice, but learning to draw from life is a valuable skill if you're interested in improving by leaps.
Manga, like its Western cartoon and graphic novel counterparts, all are branches of "realism." They are all abstractions FROM realism in a very stylistic manner. Therefore, it's safe to say that knowing some degree of realism helps when drawing manga. It's not a must as you emphasize, but it helps greatly.
Trust me, there's a lot more to "the anime style" that the rest of the artist community hate than this. Most people would be less harsh if they find that the person is a hobby artist, regardless of their drawing style. However, what irks much of the artist community is how a lot of anime artists are unwilling to attempt to change.
This is especially true if the artist has a very generic anime style, like it was stolen straight from Naruto or Pokemon. The rest of the artist community would rather see something new, refreshing, and interesting rather than same-old, same-old.
But, I think it's important to note that in any style, elements of real life will creep in no matter what. If you wanted to shade a dragon, for example, you will need to know proper shading techniques you would learn from drawing photo-realistically to produce the shine on its scales.
TL;DR: If art is a hobby, by all means, continue drawing as is. If you want to take your work more seriously, draw from life, not copy from photos "realistically."
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:59 pm
I took a look at magazine models and I was most astonished. I was like O_O These models provided waaaay more information on body postures, muscles, poses, etc than any manga tutorial could ever do.
I learned a lot of stuff from useful tutorials, especially on drawing torsos, but as said, tutorials can only let the drawer go so far to a certain limit. When I looked upon the magazine model picture, I saw EVERY single line of where everything was supposed to go. It gave me more in depth of what the tutorial did not. Tutorials help, but looking at life helps even more. I think it is because looking from life, everything is so clear.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:25 pm
Photos are good, I say drawing people around you is even better. As some of my art teachers say, photos are 2-dimensional objects that give the impression it is 3-D. The 3rd dimension has already been removed, leaving it on a flat surface, making it easier to copy.
When you're drawing straight from life, that "middleman" is removed, so it becomes more of your own when you draw from life. I guess there's something about being a part of what you're drawing that makes it interesting (you decide on the perspective of the piece, for example).
But yeah, I completely agree with you on the tutorials bit. I love tutorials, they're fun to read and learn how some artists think, but ultimately how the knowledge applies to you depends on you.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:21 am
Kupocake Photos are good, I say drawing people around you is even better. As for doing that, if I go out to the park...I dont think someone will appreciate it if I go around following them trying to draw them (this is just an example). But yeah, I know what you mean. I had experiences in drawing from life and you are right, you can decide the perspective.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:46 pm
That's why you wear sunglasses XD Most people don't really mind it, the most they'd do is give you a weird look. Try taking a picture of them and they'll get angry. X3
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:30 am
It's good to know the rules before we start breaking them.
Some graphic design schools require designers to have some grasp of drawing even if they might not ever need to draw in their career.
Art schools also like variety. Anime drawings doesn't show any of that.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:18 pm
I think That realism does help but I think that the reason why some people dont get accepted to art school when they send a profile with just anime in it is because they believe that some of the work might have been copied from someone else. Which is really easy to do. Plus, they wanna see you do other things, like photography, and sculpting.
its sorta like seeing a magacian do the same magic trick over and over again.
But I do prefer cartoony drawing over a realistic painting anyday. I just love that you can exagerate emotions and things like that.
I think that drawing realism does have its value, but its just not for me.
I do agree that it will help you at things like shading and proportions and stuff.
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:34 pm
A basic knowledge of drawing realism is a must for drawing manga WELL. You can draw manga without knowing how to actually draw a person, sure, but it'll look like a noob 5th grader drew it (haha I can attest to that with my own past artwork XD)
I studied some basic anatomy and stuff and my art got MUCH BETTER.
I'm more of a hobby artist- I'm good at art, I like it, but it's not something extremely serious for me (Hell I haven't drawn anything good in..... months....... which depresses me -_-). As said above, if you're just a hobby artist, then studying realism is more of a choice rather than a requirement as it would be for art school and stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:50 pm
I believe that:
You need to know how to draw realistically at least a little bit to be able to draw manga well. My art improved a lot since I started drawing from life, even if I can't draw exactly like life looks like yet. But I will take classes. You have to know the rules to break them.
So, that's why, I'm going to learn the basics of real life drawing to draw my manga stuff.
Still, you do not need to know everything about everything about real life drawing to draw manga.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:29 am
I really think that it depends on the person learning how to draw. Not everyone is the same. Some can start with realism then work their way 'down'. Generally, I think the better approach is to draw in the manga/anime style that you love so much, while practicing drawing anatomy. It's good to balance things out.
My 'approach' (unplanned) was to fully copy pictures from manga. Not trace, but eyeball and copy to paper. Then I moved up to using exact poses taken from manga for my own characters. Next, I started drawing on my own while using some reference, where I began to post things online. Now I draw completely on my own. And throughout these years, I took various art classes. Including anatomy.
This worked for me, though it may not work for others. I do think that aspiring manga artists should learn human anatomy. At the very least, buy a book or two and look through it. Possibly draw from it. It an artist keeps at it and take critique from others, I think they can learn on their own without books/classes on human proportions. But books/classes definitely speed up the process considerably.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:29 pm
I was told studying the masters was a great way to get to the point where you can draw just about anything, including manga. But, that involves alot of drawing from life. "Realism".
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:42 pm
I draw a bit realizm anime style. Lol I'm not very fimiliar to the "styles" of anime. What I do know is anime is starting to be less cartoony. People want clear vivide images. There is a couple websomics that might help you take a look at the styles. http://www.2kinds.com/^ This webcomic's art started out a tad sloppy and cartoony then the art improve and got more realistic. Yet, it still had an anime style which I think works together quiet nicely. http://wwww.honeysyn.net/characters.phpNow here is an anime/manga style I look forward to seeing more of. Very nice. Very clear. Very realistic, and respectable.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:30 am
Shokai - Does one have to know how to draw realistic drawings in order to just draw manga? - Is realism a MUST for drawing manga? - Does one HAVE TO draw realism just to draw manga? - Are comments like these in the website often the negative views toward drawing manga style? - Not a must, but darn me, it is darn useful if you care about the result! After all, it's quite easy to see the difference between an artist that have at least tried to draw in different styles (realistic among those) before settling for manga style and an artist who stubbornly declares "I need no other style". - It's a good way to start. And you are very unfail about the circles and lines. You use them when you are drawing realistic drawings as well, you just covers it up more while you go along. - Not as far as I can see. I have great understanding for those who are of the opinion that an artist should be able to draw more then just manga style. I do hope that art schools don't take in people who ONLY sends in one kind of art in their portfolio. -- Note that I make a difference between those who want to earn money on their art and those who just wants to draw their fav characters once in a while for the fun of it. The again, if you are drawing for non-profit fun, then it shouldn't bother you what others think. I draw 'for fun' but still values the few art classes I took. I am quite worthless when it comes to drawing realism, but I try to remember the 'rules' at least.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:11 pm
It really depends on one's goal
if one aims to draw manga, then starting with manga isn't a deadly sin, really.
HOWEVER. Drawing from life allows one to understand the concept of visualizing the illusion of 3D --- and recreate it onto a 2D surface.
Perspective, fore shortening, anatomy types for different characters -- different facial types...etc.
Drawing from realism allows one to grasp the concept -- but it is possible to grasp that concept without touching realism at all. (but it depends on how fast you pick up things...some people need a different way to learn than others....it varies really.)
Besides, if one person can understand anatomy, proportion and perspective well --- then drawing from life would be quite the breeze for that person -- because that is the whole reason why people draw from life anyway. (To understand the concepts of drawing in general.)
it is better to state that --
it is Recomended than as a requirement or need.
Besides that when one finally grasps the idea and understands the basic concepts, they find their own styles.
but most people --- as many do know: there is that issue where people completely shun that idea.
I've worked "backwards" actually.
I went from anime, and continued from there until I began to develop my own -- more realisticish looking british comics sort of style.
Then flown around towards abstract art.
but at the same time, I'm quite flexible with other mediums and have done alot of 3D modelling and concepts in animation. I am starting to draw some nude life art for a month this year -- however this is just to get my degree in order to officially work with the studios I'm already working for.
I truly believe,
that there is a difference in understanding how to see the tricks in things to make thing look 3D on a 2D surface
than to memorize it.
Drawing from life freely allows a young artist to grasp that concept by their own observation -- which can also be done by a starting anime artist who just wants to improve by accepting al forms of critique with a will to learn and observe -- and explore other styles.
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