I have a cousin that is about 40 and absolutely HATES homosexuals (and extremely homophobic. Being bi, I take great offense to this. He was ranting on and on about how homosexuals have just messed up everything in the moral system, and how being homosexual "isn't genetic." HELL IT IS! Does anyone know John Barrowman? One of the old Dr. Who's? He videotaped his results, and it showed him having a more womanly nature. Thus, having a woman-like nature, attracted him to the same sex. I probably should've stood up for what I believe in, but he was just so intimidating I couldn't bring myself to it.
What do you guy do/ think when someone rants on like that?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:10 pm
I want to punch them and say "what did gay people ever do to you!" cat_scream
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:11 pm
Agreed~!
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:11 pm
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I want to punch them and say "what did gay people ever do to you!" cat_scream
I know, right? They haven't done anything wrong. They're just being themselves!
Lol I hate it when old white men rant about things and you try to prove your opinion with them, but then they say "You shouldn't talk back to me! I'm an old white man!" My mother calls it "Old White Man Syndrome", and I think both of my grandfathers have it. It's common in, well, old white men, obviously, but you don't have to be old, white, or a man to have it. I think my aunt has it, my dad is starting to get it, and it sounds like your cousin has it too. It's basically having this attitude of "Hey, they should listen to me! Don't they know who I am?" or "They should have done that favor for me! Don't they know who I am?" It's basically this attitude that every member of your kind is part of an elite race and everything they say is correct, no matter how ludacris it may sound. And no, it's not just old men in general, it's white men. White people, think of the times your grandpa/great-uncle/old white neighbor/what have you have complained about something trivial. A lot, eh? Now non-white people, name a time an older male relative complained about something stupid.Not as many, eh?
Not being racist, but I guess it's just the way the older generations were raised. Like their authoritive figures might have said "Now remember, you're very lucky to be a white child. Take advantage of it. Your ancestors have had a lot of power for many generations." Now, the non-whites grew up listening to a motto like this: "Maybe one day, we'll be given more rights, but for now, just try to be the best you can be and don't get on the white people's (or anyone's) nerves.
Lolololololol that was a HUGE rant right there.... but hopefully someone read it and gets what I'm saying. No offense to any white people out there (I'm white myself).
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:39 pm
Ugh I hate that! There is absolutely no reason for them to be like that!
There's this guy at my school who claims to dislike several people because they are gay or bi yet one of his best friends is a lesbian, and he knows about it. I just about killed him when he was explaining this to me.
I just go to my happy place then rant about it to my bf later...
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:52 am
I would like to do a little experiment. Next time someone starts ranting like that about people silently get up, walk out of the room, as if you're going to get a drink or something, and see what they do.
1. If they shut up then they have realized that you weren't listening in the first place. It may piss them off but at least it might get through to them that that kind of topic is not one for casual conversation.
2. If they notice and say something, tell them flat out that you were not listening, and that you did not care to listen when they started.
3. If they notice and say something, admit to wanting a drink of water. This can often defuse a conversation like that rather quickly.
What I never understood is the innate hatred people possess in thier predjuice rants when the people they're ranting about have never actually affected them personallly or in any way whatsoever. It's complete ignorance and generations of hatred being passed down. It's all they know unfourtunately. Doesn't make it right.
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:59 pm
Well, first off theres the "Holy Bible says its wrong" argument. For that all you have to say is: Well, the bible also says dont eat shell fish, and I bet you've had prawns before.
Either way, I find its generally best to stand up for yourself, and establish the fact that you wont take peoples s**t. You can not allow people to walk over you. Sooner or later you should speak out.
Lol I hate it when old white men rant about things and you try to prove your opinion with them, but then they say "You shouldn't talk back to me! I'm an old white man!" My mother calls it "Old White Man Syndrome", and I think both of my grandfathers have it. It's common in, well, old white men, obviously, but you don't have to be old, white, or a man to have it. I think my aunt has it, my dad is starting to get it, and it sounds like your cousin has it too...
Lolololololol that was a HUGE rant right there.... but hopefully someone read it and gets what I'm saying. No offense to any white people out there (I'm white myself).
I read through all of it! Lol. to be honest, I agree entirely with you, but even kids now are starting to adopt that attitude. The "You are special, you are important"s that we're told as children to stop us from being emotionally unstable and isolated have warped to "The world revolves around me". It's really disappointing, actually, but I don't really think there is much we can do to stop it, other than putting kids in their place with a good tan on the rear end. The level of immaturity and ignorance is really upsetting, in both the older and younger generations.
Mizu-Sui Mame Uta-Ka
I have a cousin that is about 40 and absolutely HATES homosexuals and extremely homophobic...
Well, my recommendation to you is to either speak up or not. I don't want to sound harsh, but there really is no point in complaining if you don't intend to speak up. Now if you do intend to speak up... well, there I might be able to help. The most important thing is that if you're going to actually do it, you can't back down half way through. Showing weakness like that is only going to make you a target for your cousin later, so if you think you won't be able to do it then (for your sake) don't bother. Secondly is you have to be emotionally prepared for a whip-lash. If you can't handle being insulted or shouted at then I would also not bother doing it, because there will probably be a 'counted attack'.
Now! If he argues using the Bible, he's incorrect. Right off the bat. The Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong. What the bible says is that ANY sexual interaction without intent for reproduction is wrong. That is not saying you can't have a homosexual lover. What it is saying is that you can't have sex with your homosexual lover because it is impossible to reproduce that way. And seriously, taking the Bible for what it really says... most heterosexual teenage couples have sex before marriage and with no intention of reproductive purposes, so they can 'suck on that'.
Next. If he argues that homosexuality is all a mental state, and I have seen this, he is partially wrong. See, because the 'system' has expanded to include bi-curious and other similar things he could argue that in some cases homosexuality is mind over mater. That does not necessarily mean it is all cases. In my next point, you'll see why.
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He was ranting on and on about how homosexuals have just messed up everything in the moral system, and how being homosexual "isn't genetic."
First and foremost, I am sorry to say to you that acting more feminine doesn't necessarily make a male homosexual, just like how being a tomboy doesn't make a female homosexual. Now, I haven't seen Doctor Who, so I don't know the story behind your argument, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong. That doesn't go to say that your over all logic, that homosexuality is in fact genetic, is wrong. Because it's not, it's actually correct. They have done hormonal studies and proved that in some cases attraction between two people is actually related to the chemical compatibility between hormones. Theoretically, this thesis would also apply to people of the same gender, considering the brains of both parties are made up of hormones.
Also there is logic. Rough around the edges yet clean logic. Up until the recent spread of "Gay Rights Movements" (ugh, I hate the term because it is incorrect- "gay" means happy, and is only a slang for homosexual [which makes it a fun counter argument when you're cruelly accused of being "gay" as though it's a crime: Oh yes, I am quite gay! Life is wonderful! Did you know that "gay" really means happy? Come back to me once you understand all the terms in your vernacular, please!]) homosexuality was very oppressed and homophobia ran rampant. Of course, homosexuality isn't some 'fad' that has just 'sprung up' recently, so it is obvious that homosexuality is something which has been occurring for a while. Now where the extent of 'punishment' for homosexuality today is 'gay-bashing' and maybe getting beat up by your peers, you could get shot for it just a few decades ago. Just sayin'... I don't think they were faking it.
Finally, this argument travels far beyond just hetero, homo, and bi-sexuality; you have to then look into asexuality (an absence of a traditional sexual orientation; an asexual has little to no sexual attraction to males or females), transgenderism (a person whose gender identity is not clear, and who may take on the sexual identity of either male or female to carry out sexual fantasies or behaviors), transexuality (a person who identifies her/himself as having the identity “of the opposite sex, sometimes so strongly as to undergo surgery and hormone injections to effect a change of sex”), and many, many more (including one I saw on Oprah, a sexuality which looks past appearance and gender and only at the personality). So... even though your evidence may (or may not, but I'm pretty sure Doctor Who is fictinal) be flawed, your logic is not! Yay!
And, if you want to go even further... take a look at this! (or show him this!)
So from one heterosexual to another (me to him) "You're an ignorant fool, and I hope you enjoy living in the mental state of an immature child who is afraid of things they simply cannot understand. Please avoid talking to me because, as far as I'm concerned, ignorance and stupidity at your level might be contagious." and from an anti-homophobe to you, Miss Bisexual, "Good luck with life, and live the way you want to. They haven't yet proved that there might be 'second lives', so enjoy the obnoxiously short one you have! I hope I was helpful!"
P.S. I would rub my brilliant logic in his face before walking away, in that situation, because being the 'grown up' against childishly ignorant adults is always fun!
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:03 pm
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Lol I hate it when old white men rant about things and you try to prove your opinion with them, but then they say "You shouldn't talk back to me! I'm an old white man!" My mother calls it "Old White Man Syndrome", and I think both of my grandfathers have it. It's common in, well, old white men, obviously, but you don't have to be old, white, or a man to have it. I think my aunt has it, my dad is starting to get it, and it sounds like your cousin has it too...
Lolololololol that was a HUGE rant right there.... but hopefully someone read it and gets what I'm saying. No offense to any white people out there (I'm white myself).
I read through all of it! Lol. to be honest, I agree entirely with you, but even kids now are starting to adopt that attitude. The "You are special, you are important"s that we're told as children to stop us from being emotionally unstable and isolated have warped to "The world revolves around me". It's really disappointing, actually, but I don't really think there is much we can do to stop it, other than putting kids in their place with a good tan on the rear end. The level of immaturity and ignorance is really upsetting, in both the older and younger generations.
Mizu-Sui Mame Uta-Ka
I have a cousin that is about 40 and absolutely HATES homosexuals and extremely homophobic...
Well, my recommendation to you is to either speak up or not. I don't want to sound harsh, but there really is no point in complaining if you don't intend to speak up. Now if you do intend to speak up... well, there I might be able to help. The most important thing is that if you're going to actually do it, you can't back down half way through. Showing weakness like that is only going to make you a target for your cousin later, so if you think you won't be able to do it then (for your sake) don't bother. Secondly is you have to be emotionally prepared for a whip-lash. If you can't handle being insulted or shouted at then I would also not bother doing it, because there will probably be a 'counted attack'.
Now! If he argues using the Bible, he's incorrect. Right off the bat. The Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong. What the bible says is that ANY sexual interaction without intent for reproduction is wrong. That is not saying you can't have a homosexual lover. What it is saying is that you can't have sex with your homosexual lover because it is impossible to reproduce that way. And seriously, taking the Bible for what it really says... most heterosexual teenage couples have sex before marriage and with no intention of reproductive purposes, so they can 'suck on that'.
Next. If he argues that homosexuality is all a mental state, and I have seen this, he is partially wrong. See, because the 'system' has expanded to include bi-curious and other similar things he could argue that in some cases homosexuality is mind over mater. That does not necessarily mean it is all cases. In my next point, you'll see why.
Quote:
He was ranting on and on about how homosexuals have just messed up everything in the moral system, and how being homosexual "isn't genetic."
First and foremost, I am sorry to say to you that acting more feminine doesn't necessarily make a male homosexual, just like how being a tomboy doesn't make a female homosexual. Now, I haven't seen Doctor Who, so I don't know the story behind your argument, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong. That doesn't go to say that your over all logic, that homosexuality is in fact genetic, is wrong. Because it's not, it's actually correct. They have done hormonal studies and proved that in some cases attraction between two people is actually related to the chemical compatibility between hormones. Theoretically, this thesis would also apply to people of the same gender, considering the brains of both parties are made up of hormones.
Also there is logic. Rough around the edges yet clean logic. Up until the recent spread of "Gay Rights Movements" (ugh, I hate the term because it is incorrect- "gay" means happy, and is only a slang for homosexual [which makes it a fun counter argument when you're cruelly accused of being "gay" as though it's a crime: Oh yes, I am quite gay! Life is wonderful! Did you know that "gay" really means happy? Come back to me once you understand all the terms in your vernacular, please!]) homosexuality was very oppressed and homophobia ran rampant. Of course, homosexuality isn't some 'fad' that has just 'sprung up' recently, so it is obvious that homosexuality is something which has been occurring for a while. Now where the extent of 'punishment' for homosexuality today is 'gay-bashing' and maybe getting beat up by your peers, you could get shot for it just a few decades ago. Just sayin'... I don't think they were faking it.
Finally, this argument travels far beyond just hetero, homo, and bi-sexuality; you have to then look into asexuality (an absence of a traditional sexual orientation; an asexual has little to no sexual attraction to males or females), transgenderism (a person whose gender identity is not clear, and who may take on the sexual identity of either male or female to carry out sexual fantasies or behaviors), transexuality (a person who identifies her/himself as having the identity “of the opposite sex, sometimes so strongly as to undergo surgery and hormone injections to effect a change of sex”), and many, many more (including one I saw on Oprah, a sexuality which looks past appearance and gender and only at the personality). So... even though your evidence may (or may not, but I'm pretty sure Doctor Who is fictinal) be flawed, your logic is not! Yay!
And, if you want to go even further... take a look at this! (or show him this!)
So from one heterosexual to another (me to him) "You're an ignorant fool, and I hope you enjoy living in the mental state of an immature child who is afraid of things they simply cannot understand. Please avoid talking to me because, as far as I'm concerned, ignorance and stupidity at your level might be contagious." and from an anti-homophobe to you, Miss Bisexual, "Good luck with life, and live the way you want to. They haven't yet proved that there might be 'second lives', so enjoy the obnoxiously short one you have! I hope I was helpful!"
P.S. I would rub my brilliant logic in his face before walking away, in that situation, because being the 'grown up' against childishly ignorant adults is always fun!
Thank you..... that seriously cleared a lot of things up for me. emotion_yatta
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