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"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
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G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
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Femininity Tropes
Yamato Nadeshiko
Virtue Is Weakness
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Women Are Delicate
Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
Women Are Wiser
With This Ring
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"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
open/close all folders
A-F
G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
Examples:
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Film — Live-Action
Literature
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Theatre
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Western Animation
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Water Is Womanly
Femininity Tropes
Yamato Nadeshiko
Virtue Is Weakness
Weakness Tropes
Women Are Delicate
Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
Women Are Wiser
With This Ring
Discredited Trope
Women Drivers
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"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
open/close all folders
A-F
G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
Examples:
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Film — Live-Action
Literature
Live-Action TV
Mythology & Religion
Theatre
Video Games
Western Animation
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Water Is Womanly
Femininity Tropes
Yamato Nadeshiko
Virtue Is Weakness
Weakness Tropes
Women Are Delicate
Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
Women Are Wiser
With This Ring
Discredited Trope
Women Drivers
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"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
open/close all folders
A-F
G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
Examples:
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Comic Books
Film — Live-Action
Literature
Live-Action TV
Mythology & Religion
Theatre
Video Games
Western Animation
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Index
Next
Water Is Womanly
Femininity Tropes
Yamato Nadeshiko
Virtue Is Weakness
Weakness Tropes
Women Are Delicate
Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
Women Are Wiser
With This Ring
Discredited Trope
Women Drivers
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"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
open/close all folders
A-F
G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
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Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
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Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
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Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
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With This Ring
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— Rick, Casablanca
Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
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Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
Examples:
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Virtue Is Weakness
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Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
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With This Ring
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Womanliness as Pathos is a narrative idea that the mere presence of something female or feminine will cause emotions like angst, drama, suffering, or pity. Under this theory, even "positive" emotions like sympathy, protectiveness, love or lust are merely desires to overcome or prevent negative emotions (like sadness, worry, loneliness or heartbreak).
In fiction, you can tell this trope is at play when scenes involving a woman create intrigue, concern, competition, tension, danger or stress for the characters, or when some major conflict or disaster is caused by a woman doing (or convincing a man to do) something manipulative, selfish or foolish.
It takes the form of male characters being harmed or held back by them, women themselves being endangered or oppressed, tougher characters vigilantly protecting them, female characters fighting and scheming against each other, femininity being portrayed as inherently shallow, vapid or unstable, feminine male/trans characters causing some sort of trouble, or women not being held to the same scrutiny as men. Put bluntly, this conclusion is one of the most common forms of misogyny, but it also has elements of Truth in Television due to the inherent problems and disadvantages that many women face socially and physically.
For example...yes, without a Daddy DNA Test a man will always have uncertainty about his paternity and thus fear being a Cuckold. A Pregnant Hostage will always be considered more delicate and more sympathetic due to the impossibility for cis-men to bear life. As long as "boys only want one thing", an Overprotective Dad will always fight to defend his daughters from that. And if a male character constantly uses destructive means to achieve success, then yes, women who don't like those things will always oppose them.
However, like any Stereotype, this is easily taken too far, especially when people/characters despise femininity, or want them kept out of the way just to avoid these issues, or when women/feminine characters are themselves blamed for something bad happening to them.
As you can imagine, this is one of The Oldest Ones in the Book. Just see the number of myths and ancient legends that follow this pattern in the examples below to demonstrate how this trope was at one point even more in fashion.
Due to its very controversial and delicate subject matter, we must ask that there be No Real Life Examples, Please!. Also, examples listed on this page should be extremely egregious, repetitious, or well-known; otherwise, it is probably a better fit in one of the relevant Sub Tropes in the subpage for tropes.
Sub-Trope of Women Are Delicate. Super-Trope of Men Are Generic, Women Are Special, as this trope is the reason they're considered "special".
Compare and contrast Moe, Women Are Wiser, and Females Are More Innocent; while on the surface, they seem to "counter" this trope by eliciting "positive" emotions, the wise, innocent women are often seen as valuable enough to protect. This trope is common in Film Noir and Hardboiled Detective stories, often to make the protagonist uncomfortable or to make him "care" about solving the case. Also the calling card of Nothing Nice About Sugar and Spice.
Tropes:
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A-F
G-L
M-S
T-Z
Gender-Nonconforming Tropes
All Gays Are *****: A gay (usually male and effeminate) character is treated as a danger to children.
All Gays Are Promiscuous: Because marriage is supposed to be between men and women, gays are assumed to "slut it up".
Creepy Crossdresser: This trope usually involves a male character dressing as a woman and thus looking or acting disturbing and creepy.
Effeminate Misogynistic Guy: An effeminate man hates women, often because he sees them as competition.
Elfeminate: Elves are exceptionally and supernaturally beautiful and thus usually have traits considered "feminine".
Everybody Wants the Hermaphrodite: A character with both male and female traits is considered attractive to everyone.
Gay Bravado: A man is so confident in his heterosexuality that he will intentionally display effeminate traits just to mess with other people.
"Gender-Normative Parent" Plot: A boy's femininity causes a conflict.
Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?: A character who displays non-conforming or homoerotic behavior feels compelled to remind everyone that they're straight.
Not Like Other Girls: A girl who wants to be special because she doesn't display the stereotypical behavior of other girls.
Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy: A pair that are considered weird or exceptional because they display traits opposite of their genders.
Pink Is for Sissies: A male character wears "effeminate" clothes or colors and is mocked for it.
Psycho Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to other women, but displays predatory behavior.
Real Women Don't Wear Dresses: Masculine women are portrayed as better than feminine ones.
Sissy Villain: A villain who behaves effeminately. Often, his feminine nature is explicitly what makes him a villain, but other times, it merely adds to his creepiness.
Stay in the Kitchen: When the narrative or a character insists that women should be barred from action and stay on the sidelines.
Stupid Sexy Flanders: If a character is straight and male, he reminds himself that he's not gay or bi, no matter how gorgeous his friend is.
Textile Work Is Feminine: If a man does textile work as a hobby or profession, people will mock him as effeminate or call him gay.
Transgender Fetishization: A trans character (especially trans women) is presented as exceptionally sexy or attractive.
Trans Tribulations
Unsettling Gender Reveal: Usually involves a male character learning that a beautiful female they desired is transgender or really a man in disguise/drag.
Examples:
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Yamato Nadeshiko
Virtue Is Weakness
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Women Are Delicate
Stealthy Cephalopod
Evil Only By Association
The Worm That Walks
Winter Royal Lady
Always Female
Woman Scorned
Winged Humanoid
Older Than Dirt
Woman Scorned
Where da White Women At?
Stereotype
Women Prefer Strong Men
Wife Husbandry
Women Are Delicate
Woman Scorned
Wholesome Crossdresser
Gender and Sexuality Tropes
Women Are Wiser
With Us or Against Us
NoRealLife/Too Controversial
Women Are Wiser
With This Ring
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Women Drivers
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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The Komnenoi imperial family of Byzantium destroyed itself over the course of several decades as family members backstabbed, poisoned, imprisoned, exiled, blinded, executed, and led armed insurrections against one another. By the time Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade in 1204, no less than 26 members of the Komnenos dynasty had been taken out of commission by their close relatives note
The medieval Nemanjić dynasty of Serbia was a nest of snakes; like the mythical House of Atreus, each generation preyed on the next, pitting father against son, uncle against nephew, brother against brother, and cousin against cousin.
Stefan Nemanja, grand prince of Serbs from 1166 to 1196, was betrayed and imprisoned by his brothers in a cave. He escaped and had his brothers exiled. Later in life, he preferred his younger son, also named Stefan, to his elder son, Vukan, ensuring that Vukan and Stefan would someday clash over the throne.
Stefan Nemanjić, king of Serbia 1217-1228. His first wife, the Byzantine princess Eudokia Angelina, quarrelled with him, declaring that he cheated on her and was "drunk from morning to night", so Stefan threw her out of the castle in her undergarments. She had to seek refuge with Stefan's brother, Vukan, himself a troublemaker and self-proclaimed king.
Stefan Radoslav, son of Stefan Nemanjić and Eudokia Angelina, king of Serbia 1228-1233. He and his wife, Anna Doukaina Angelina of Epiros, were so unpopular that they were driven out and he was replaced by his younger brother, Vladislav.
Stefan Vladislav I, king of Serbia 1233-1243. Deposed by the nobility and replaced by his younger half-brother, Uroš.
Stefan Uroš I, king of Serbia 1243-1276. Son of Stefan Nemanjić by his Venetian second wife, Anna Dandolo (herself granddaughter of the notorious doge Enrico Dandolo), he preferred his younger son, Milutin, to his elder son, Dragutin. Dragutin led an armed insurrection against his father and forced him to abdicate.
Stefan Dragutin, king of Serbia 1276-1282. Unexpectedly surrendered his throne to his younger brother, Milutin, after being injured in 1282. Some years later Milutin apparently reneged on an agreement to let Dragutin's son Vladislav succeed him, resulting in the brothers quarreling until Dragutin's death in 1316.
Stefan Uroš II Milutin, king of Serbia 1282-1321. Warlike, quarrelsome, and oversexed, he seduced his sister-in-law Erzsébet (daughter of the king of Hungary), with whom he fathered a son. He ditched her for a Bulgarian princess, Anna Terter, and then divorced Anna to marry a five-year-old Byzantine princess, Simonis. He raped Simonis and left her infertile. Upon returning to Constantinople for her mother's funeral in 1317, Simonis begged to stay and had to be forced by her brother the emperor to return to her husband. Milutin sent his son, Stefan Uroš, to the Mongols as a hostage and later had him partially blinded.
Stefan Konstantin, king of Serbia 1321-1322. Son of Milutin and the Hungarian princess, Erzsébet. A three-way war erupted upon his father's death, pitting Konstantin against his half-brother, Uroš, and his cousin, Vladislav (son of former king Dragutin, Vladislav had been imprisoned during Milutin's reign and only released upon his death). Konstantin was captured by his cousin Vladislav and crucified to a tree.
Stefan Uroš III, king of Serbia 1322-1331. Son of Milutin and his Bulgarian wife, Anna Terter, he spent his youth a hostage at the Mongol court and was later partially blinded on the orders of his father. He drove his cousin Vladislav out of the country in 1322. His own son and heir overthrew him and had him strangled.
Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, king of Serbia 1331-1355. Son of Uroš III and Theodora of Bulgaria, he was a great warrior-king and lawmaker. He overthrew his father and had him strangled. He died under mysterious circumstances, possibly poisoning while embarking on an offensive against the Turks.
Stefan Uroš V, king of Serbia 1355-1371. Son of Dušan and Elena of Bulgaria, he was a gentle and modest ruler. His uncle Simeon tried to usurp power in Serbia. He also died young under mysterious circumstances (his co-ruler, Vukašin, popularly credited with having murdered him in folk tales, actually died a couple of months before Uroš himself). His death extinguished the dynasty in Serbia.
Although not every child who has a bad upbringing grows up to become a criminal, most serial killers and violent offenders did not have what you would call healthy home lives. The one who takes the cake, however, is Richard Ramirez, aka "The Night Stalker", who had a backstory most cop shows would consider unrealistic. He had an abusive father who beat him, his brother-in-law was a disturbed voyeur who bonded with Richard over stalking people, and his childhood hero was his Vietnam veteran cousin — a Sociopathic Soldier who carried around photos of the atrocities he'd committed (including raping and then beheading a woman).
The Loveless family for the criminal Melinda Loveless who was responsible for being the ringleader of the murder of Shanda Sharer. In public, nobody would believe the Loveless family was screwed up. Behind closed doors, Larry Loveless, the father of Melida, was a psycho and a depraved child molester who molested Melinda and her two older sisters. He also mistreated his wife and raped her in front of their daughters.
Inbreeding was a common flaw among royal families but The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful and influential royal families in European history, seemed to have the worst luck when it came to intermarriages. Epilepsy, gout, dropsy, depression, unusually-shaped heads, and the telltale Habsburg jaw, all plagued several generations of their descendants which played a crucial role in bringing suffering and eventual ruin to the House of Habsburg.
The Bagrationi dynasty of Georgia (Europe) had its share of craziness. By far the worst cases were in the 15th-17th centuries, starting with:
George II of Kakheti, nowadays known as George the Evil. He killed his father, blinded his brother, and went to war against the neighbouring kingdom of Kartli (ruled by a distant cousin from a rival branch of the Bagrationis). He attacked Kartli twice. The second time he was killed and the throne eventually went to his son, Levan.
Levan of Kakheti was married twice and preferred the children from his second marriage to the children from his first. His oldest son Alexander should have been the heir but was The Unfavorite. So when Levan died a power struggle began between Alexander and his half-brother El-Mirza. Eventually Alexander killed El-Mirza and at least one other half-brother.
Alexander's son David overthrew him and seized the throne in 1601. David died a year later and Alexander took the throne again. Three years after that another of Alexander's sons, Constantine, staged an coup, killed his father and one of his brothers, then was killed in the ensuing civil war.
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