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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:48 am
Khaz-Prince of Ruins My posts in this guild are being ignored crying I sowwy.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:08 am
IndieUndies00 Khaz-Prince of Ruins My posts in this guild are being ignored crying I sowwy. Aww~ I love it when people say "sowwy" for some reason. c:
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:57 am
Khaz-Prince of Ruins My posts in this guild are being ignored crying There's a variety of reasons why people might not be responding to your posts, but if you want to complain about it, I'd suggest making a thread in the off-topic subforum rather than further derailing this thread, please. smile
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:05 pm
Taeryyn Khaz-Prince of Ruins My posts in this guild are being ignored crying There's a variety of reasons why people might not be responding to your posts, but if you want to complain about it, I'd suggest making a thread in the off-topic subforum rather than further derailing this thread, please. smile Eh, I can venture a guess as to why, seeing as my posts haven't really stood out in most of the threads so far. But still, I want to be as active a member as I can be, and in my twisted point of view, that requires being noticed...
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:43 pm
IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:10 pm
Xynch IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
They are those who really are one or the other, but then there are those who are in the middle. Everyone can do bad or good things and just because you do a few bad things that doesnt make you a bad person, that just means you made some mistakes. Good vs evil is bullcrap in my opinion. Just a way to make evil look evil by making good look good when really, evil may not be so evil and good may not be so good. We all have both good and bad in us, so how can there be no middle?
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:22 pm
IndieUndies00 Xynch IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
They are those who really are one or the other, but then there are those who are in the middle. Everyone can do bad or good things and just because you do a few bad things that doesnt make you a bad person, that just means you made some mistakes. Good vs evil is bullcrap in my opinion. Just a way to make evil look evil by making good look good when really, evil may not be so evil and good may not be so good. We all have both good and bad in us, so how can there be no middle?I agree with Indie on this. There cant not be a middle ground between good and evil, because there is no such thing as pure evil or pure good. If you want to look at it from a theological standpoint, Satan (Not Lucifer or Beelzebub, mind you) would be evil, and God would be good, and you could argue that we as humans are the Grey area between the two. We have the ability make our own choices, whether they be good, or bad. We are born with the capacity for good and evil actions, therefore we are, by nature, neutral.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:41 pm
IndieUndies00 Xynch IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
They are those who really are one or the other, but then there are those who are in the middle. Everyone can do bad or good things and just because you do a few bad things that doesnt make you a bad person, that just means you made some mistakes. Good vs evil is bullcrap in my opinion. Just a way to make evil look evil by making good look good when really, evil may not be so evil and good may not be so good. We all have both good and bad in us, so how can there be no middle?I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:37 am
Xynch IndieUndies00 Xynch IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
They are those who really are one or the other, but then there are those who are in the middle. Everyone can do bad or good things and just because you do a few bad things that doesnt make you a bad person, that just means you made some mistakes. Good vs evil is bullcrap in my opinion. Just a way to make evil look evil by making good look good when really, evil may not be so evil and good may not be so good. We all have both good and bad in us, so how can there be no middle?I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good.
I have no religious beliefs and I have always lived by the notion that whatever someone believed was correct for them, and only them. Maybe in your case, you are good or evil and only such. I believe that humans have the capabilty to be anything in between and so I am neutral in my mind. People in my life say I'm good for being kind, or evil for being a gay athiest. I am capable of holding both sides, as I believe all others are. So please, don't assume we all hold the same opinions as you do. Your truths are not universal.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:53 am
Xynch I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. So if someone did nothing but good things their entire life, and then did something somewhat bad at the end, they're no longer a good person? From one culture to another, things that are almost universally seen as "bad" are those things that negatively affect yourself or someone else. Stealing, for example. Pretty much everyone can agree that it's wrong to steal. However, what if you and your family are starving, and you steal food from someone rich to give to your starving family? Are you automatically a bad person? I don't think many people would think so. Very few things in life are black and white. Quote: Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. No, "gray" means that although an action may be good or bad, it must be looked at in the proper context. You can't just look at an action and deem it good or bad without considering the circumstances as well as the consequences.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:12 pm
Ayame_Rikimayu Xynch IndieUndies00 Xynch IndieUndies00 There was a topic on God and it got me thinking about the Devil so I just had to make this.
Basically, I hear it alot that people will blame the Devil for everything. He's the reason the world is so wrong. The reason people become alcoholics or stray from the righteous path. He's the reason theres so much wrong with the world.
I don't like that. I think that people are using him as a scapegoat to run away from knowing the truth.
I also don't like how it seems that some people will say that if its not Godly, its from the devil or is the devil. Why does it have to be so black and white? Good vs Evil? Wheres the shading in the middle, because it is there.
And I don't believe that the devil is the cause of all our problems. Im not going to touch the religous aspect of that because, well, its stupid. But as for there being a middle grounds in the whole Good vs Evil struggle, i have to say there is no gray area, there is only good vs evil. Well thats my opinion anyway.
They are those who really are one or the other, but then there are those who are in the middle. Everyone can do bad or good things and just because you do a few bad things that doesnt make you a bad person, that just means you made some mistakes. Good vs evil is bullcrap in my opinion. Just a way to make evil look evil by making good look good when really, evil may not be so evil and good may not be so good. We all have both good and bad in us, so how can there be no middle?I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good.
I have no religious beliefs and I have always lived by the notion that whatever someone believed was correct for them, and only them. Maybe in your case, you are good or evil and only such. I believe that humans have the capabilty to be anything in between and so I am neutral in my mind. People in my life say I'm good for being kind, or evil for being a gay athiest. I am capable of holding both sides, as I believe all others are. So please, don't assume we all hold the same opinions as you do. Your truths are not universal.Ill start by saying "Please dont assume, it makes an a** out of you and me" (hehe get it? no? ok...) I dont know how my above statements, especially since i said religion is crap, made you think i am religious, which i am not. And i never once said my thoughts were universal, i said, "I think". I never said, "I know".. Please pay attention or you end up twisting my words into somthing they are not. But in MY mind, neutral doesnt exist, so you are either good or evil. While its true, my thoughts are NOT universal, they still hold true for me. In my mind, what you think about yourself does NOT matter to me, at all. Which i should hope, holds the same for you. My thoughts about good and evil should not apply to you in your mind. and if all that is confusing i applogize. But hey, all that matters is it made sense in my mind right? heh.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:24 pm
Taeryyn Xynch I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. So if someone did nothing but good things their entire life, and then did something somewhat bad at the end, they're no longer a good person? From one culture to another, things that are almost universally seen as "bad" are those things that negatively affect yourself or someone else. Stealing, for example. Pretty much everyone can agree that it's wrong to steal. However, what if you and your family are starving, and you steal food from someone rich to give to your starving family? Are you automatically a bad person? I don't think many people would think so. Very few things in life are black and white. Quote: Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. No, "gray" means that although an action may be good or bad, it must be looked at in the proper context. You can't just look at an action and deem it good or bad without considering the circumstances as well as the consequences. i dont know how to do that nifty quote trick you did so im going to have to answer this all at once. As for your first statement, you got it wrong. I believe that if someone did nothing but good deeds their whole life, and did one wrong thing, then, depending on the severity of that wrong deed, they are still good. Now if you donate 1 dollar a week to some charity your whole life, but then kill 1000 people, that evil deed seriously out weighs the good. Of course, many people would not think stealing to feed THEIR familys would be bad, but ask them about being stolen from. And i still see stealing as wrong, there are other ways to obtain food. and theft is theft, murder is murder. balck is black, white is white, there is no neutral. And i believe a great many things are black and white. As long as you look at them correctly and dont let naive, idealistic, notions such as neutrality cloud your vision.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:15 pm
Xynch Taeryyn Xynch I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. So if someone did nothing but good things their entire life, and then did something somewhat bad at the end, they're no longer a good person? From one culture to another, things that are almost universally seen as "bad" are those things that negatively affect yourself or someone else. Stealing, for example. Pretty much everyone can agree that it's wrong to steal. However, what if you and your family are starving, and you steal food from someone rich to give to your starving family? Are you automatically a bad person? I don't think many people would think so. Very few things in life are black and white. Quote: Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. No, "gray" means that although an action may be good or bad, it must be looked at in the proper context. You can't just look at an action and deem it good or bad without considering the circumstances as well as the consequences. i dont know how to do that nifty quote trick you did so im going to have to answer this all at once. As for your first statement, you got it wrong. I believe that if someone did nothing but good deeds their whole life, and did one wrong thing, then, depending on the severity of that wrong deed, they are still good. Now if you donate 1 dollar a week to some charity your whole life, but then kill 1000 people, that evil deed seriously out weighs the good. Of course, many people would not think stealing to feed THEIR familys would be bad, but ask them about being stolen from. And i still see stealing as wrong, there are other ways to obtain food. and theft is theft, murder is murder. balck is black, white is white, there is no neutral. And i believe a great many things are black and white. As long as you look at them correctly and dont let naive, idealistic, notions such as neutrality cloud your vision.
Grey is not an excuse to do bad things and get away with it. Its saying that even when you do do bad things or good things, that doesn't make you instantly one side or the other. Life is not all extremes despite popular belief.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:05 pm
IndieUndies00 Xynch Taeryyn Xynch I think of it more like a weight thing, your either evil or good, unlike a weight, theres no perfect balance. You can do all bad things, follow all of those with one good act, that does not make you good. From a biblical standpont (great, here comes the religious crap) any action could, relatively easily, be seen as good or evil. Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. So if someone did nothing but good things their entire life, and then did something somewhat bad at the end, they're no longer a good person? From one culture to another, things that are almost universally seen as "bad" are those things that negatively affect yourself or someone else. Stealing, for example. Pretty much everyone can agree that it's wrong to steal. However, what if you and your family are starving, and you steal food from someone rich to give to your starving family? Are you automatically a bad person? I don't think many people would think so. Very few things in life are black and white. Quote: Gray is just our way of doing somthing bad and saying, by technicality, its good. No, "gray" means that although an action may be good or bad, it must be looked at in the proper context. You can't just look at an action and deem it good or bad without considering the circumstances as well as the consequences. i dont know how to do that nifty quote trick you did so im going to have to answer this all at once. As for your first statement, you got it wrong. I believe that if someone did nothing but good deeds their whole life, and did one wrong thing, then, depending on the severity of that wrong deed, they are still good. Now if you donate 1 dollar a week to some charity your whole life, but then kill 1000 people, that evil deed seriously out weighs the good. Of course, many people would not think stealing to feed THEIR familys would be bad, but ask them about being stolen from. And i still see stealing as wrong, there are other ways to obtain food. and theft is theft, murder is murder. balck is black, white is white, there is no neutral. And i believe a great many things are black and white. As long as you look at them correctly and dont let naive, idealistic, notions such as neutrality cloud your vision.
Grey is not an excuse to do bad things and get away with it. Its saying that even when you do do bad things or good things, that doesn't make you instantly one side or the other. Life is not all extremes despite popular belief. Man, i can see why people dont post on the subject of religion much. Theres a recuring pattern...Anyway- I like how you try to make it seem like my idea of good and evil is a product of society and yet you leave out the fact that yours is too. Every thought we have, is a product of our society, but i digress. And, yet again, my words were twisted, i NEVER said anyone was "always" good or evil. I dont know where you people are getting this from. I also find it funny that someone said my views arnt everyone elses and yet here you say, "We are made to be evil so that the "good" ones can bring us down and therefore defeat evil and continue to be the "good" ones. But we all know that's a lie and we all know they aren't as good as they say if they're trying to take peoples rights away."I dont know who "we all" is, but i know i dont believe that. Sure, life is not all extremes, i see it like this: you got Very Good, Good, Bad, and Very Bad (you can add some more sub-good/bad if you like). Not just Very Good and Very Bad. But there is no "Not-Exactly-Good-Or-Bad-Kinda-Greyish" in the middle. But of course everything we have discussed is all opinion based on abstracts like good, evil, god, the devil, etc. Nothing we have talked about can be proven, which makes this argument very pointless in the end. While its nice to see peoples opinions, it hardly ever ends in, "Hey, your right, i totally agree with you!" unless they were in agreement in the very begining. Long story short, these exchanges are going to keep going back and forth and get very...irksome stressed
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:46 pm
Humans make humans evil. End of discussion.
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