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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:30 pm


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And now that I've ruined your life with that, I'll go back to discussion, haha.

Yes, we made betta splendens more aggressive, but it was never a peaceful fish to start with. Who are we to start messing with them again to make a more peaceful fish? Even the wild types are still aggressive fish, just less so.


That's going into peta territory. Who are we to keep fish at all? Even under the best conditions, we can never really replicate their natural habits. Even those of us who keep up with water changes and make sure to get the biggest tanks possible are doing a disservice to them. I can't come up with a good answer for that question, other than the fact that keeping fish makes me happy. But as far as selective breeding goes, as long as you're doing your best to breed a healthy line without defects, why not breed for temperament? It might even help keep more bettas out of bowls and death cubes.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:51 pm


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And now that I've ruined your life with that, I'll go back to discussion, haha.

Yes, we made betta splendens more aggressive, but it was never a peaceful fish to start with. Who are we to start messing with them again to make a more peaceful fish? Even the wild types are still aggressive fish, just less so.


That's going into peta territory. Who are we to keep fish at all? Even under the best conditions, we can never really replicate their natural habits. Even those of us who keep up with water changes and make sure to get the biggest tanks possible are doing a disservice to them. I can't come up with a good answer for that question, other than the fact that keeping fish makes me happy. But as far as selective breeding goes, as long as you're doing your best to breed a healthy line without defects, why not breed for temperament? It might even help keep more bettas out of bowls and death cubes.


I guess I'm just a purist. I loathe seeing people mess with how an animal behaves just to make them easier to care for. I feel the same way about bully breeds being dog aggressive- you try to start breeding that out, and you start losing part of what made you like the animal in the first place.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:08 pm


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And now that I've ruined your life with that, I'll go back to discussion, haha.

Yes, we made betta splendens more aggressive, but it was never a peaceful fish to start with. Who are we to start messing with them again to make a more peaceful fish? Even the wild types are still aggressive fish, just less so.


That's going into peta territory. Who are we to keep fish at all? Even under the best conditions, we can never really replicate their natural habits. Even those of us who keep up with water changes and make sure to get the biggest tanks possible are doing a disservice to them. I can't come up with a good answer for that question, other than the fact that keeping fish makes me happy. But as far as selective breeding goes, as long as you're doing your best to breed a healthy line without defects, why not breed for temperament? It might even help keep more bettas out of bowls and death cubes.


I guess I'm just a purist. I loathe seeing people mess with how an animal behaves just to make them easier to care for. I feel the same way about bully breeds being dog aggressive- you try to start breeding that out, and you start losing part of what made you like the animal in the first place.


I can totally understand that, though with dog breeds, they're kind of a "man made" thing as it is, I think they will probably always change over time as people's tastes change. I agree that it's wrong to "play god", but to me, there are bigger fish to fry.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:47 pm


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...They're not meant to be peaceful community fish. They don't need or want the company of other fish. We run into problems when we try to force them into situations they're not meant to be in, i.e. a community tank...


That said, I've actually had a betta that thrived in a community environment, and when that community was taken away from him, he became so depressed that he soon died.

He started out with a few Endlers in a 10 gallon. I got a bit bored with the Endlers, shipped them off to Nilla (who they are now making babies all over the place for LOL), and when he got depressed, I bought him some Neon Tetras, who he didn't like (because they weren't *his* Endler's I guess, and because they send out a prey-vibe, which I learned afterwards), so I sold them too. He then became really depressed, and died just a few days later, before I could get him new "pets." This fish was completely and other wise healthy, other than getting depressed when he didn't have other fish to interact with.

I've also heard of a few other cases similar to this, though not to this extreme.

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