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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:17 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:40 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:07 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:23 pm
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Der Fluch des Pharao While it's perfectly alright for your to disagree with their views, Esiris, you can't blame them for their beliefs. After all, this thread is asking how we as individuals view masculinity.
Naturally, our views have implications but what both of them are saying in no way is meant to demean women.
I get your message, however, and understand where your disagreements lay, but neither of them are wrong for their definitions.
I think that at the same time, if people continue to carry sexist definitions, people further sexism- so by pointing out that something is sexist- people can develop a more tolerant attitude, even if that attitude is aimed at women. cat_3nodding
I also think people aren't blamed- but are responsible for their views. If I hold a view that is bigoted, I may be misinformed, ignorant or not thinking- and that wouldn't make me a bigot. If I hold a view that is bigoted, and I fight tooth and nail to protect that- then I can't say I'm misinformed or not thinking- and that would leave the option that I am actually a bigot!
I guess the only other thing I would say is that I don't see commenting on someone's views as the same thing as blaming or attacking the people who have them- sometimes people just take things too personally afterall. cat_sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:42 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:06 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:16 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:46 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:06 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:11 pm
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Esiris Anonemuss385 Masculinity takes the form of confidence for me. Someone who is really masculine doesn't walk around, showing off and basking in the adulation of others. He's the quiet guy, the one who does what he wants and doesn't worry about what anyone else thinks about him. I'm a confident person- so I have to be a man? Are Hillary Clinton, the Queen of England and Empress Dowager Cixi all men? To me- that seems really sexist. zZ-Zain-Zz My definition of a man is to be respectful and standing your ground. And defending ones you love. And love who he is. And yeah, he should do anything he wants. Women can be respectful and stand their ground and defend the people they love while loving themselves- again, I think these definitions of masculinity are really sexist and play into cis-hetero stereotypes. (I'm not even going to touch how people doing whatever they want can sometimes include abuse and other horrible things) How is that sexist? o.o
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:19 pm
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