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 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:42 am
Princess Zelda21 LithiumXwolf Princess Zelda21 cleolvtempus how can you tell me that god FOR SURE created the first man and woman? you have NO PROOF where I do. i have theories that have been supported by actual SCIENCE, like evolution with Fossils, and the big bang (yes not completely proven to be true yet as we will NEVER know how the universe began but its still the best explanation that we have). you can NOT tell me that if god didn't exist we would not be alive. you have NO PROOF, and i am stressing that since that is what this forum was asking in the first place, weather i want proof that god exists and frankly you have none therefore, he does not. and there is a HUGE possible way that the world created itself, it is called gravitational pull around the sun, with that pull came the compacting of molecules and dust in space compacting into this round thing we call earth. and over time the earth started to cool and heat up and cool again and water was formed from the cooling and so on and so forth. open any high school science text book and you will learn the whole process of how the EARTH created itself. frankly i am kind of insulted that you have said that I NEED Proof yet you are stating far more outrageous ideas then me about the creation of life with NO PROOF. it is quite hypocritical of you and frankly ignorant. sweet pea, the bible is an incomplete book of the rambleings of old men. the king james version alone was thought to be written by over 50 people over a period of 1500 years. half te book is missing thanks to the Council of Miceine. and the translators made countless mistakes when they translated it to english. dont tell me what the bible says, or that its true.
Also, since we comprehend our surroundings by contrasting it against subjects we have prior knowledge on, anything in the Bible could merely have been man's assumptions on what really happened, as they didn't have anywhere close to the knowledge we have today on life. An airplane would be written down as a mythical shining bird shrieking loud wails as it flew on by if one appeared back then.
Prove to me that God and the events in the Bible were more than just man's perception towards things he couldn't possibly comprehend. Since you're so quick to preach the "truth" and call us out on our facts, show some of your own.
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I should start something involving the ancient alien theory here.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:56 am
Princess Zelda21 LithiumXwolf Princess Zelda21 cleolvtempus how can you tell me that god FOR SURE created the first man and woman? you have NO PROOF where I do. i have theories that have been supported by actual SCIENCE, like evolution with Fossils, and the big bang (yes not completely proven to be true yet as we will NEVER know how the universe began but its still the best explanation that we have). you can NOT tell me that if god didn't exist we would not be alive. you have NO PROOF, and i am stressing that since that is what this forum was asking in the first place, weather i want proof that god exists and frankly you have none therefore, he does not. and there is a HUGE possible way that the world created itself, it is called gravitational pull around the sun, with that pull came the compacting of molecules and dust in space compacting into this round thing we call earth. and over time the earth started to cool and heat up and cool again and water was formed from the cooling and so on and so forth. open any high school science text book and you will learn the whole process of how the EARTH created itself. frankly i am kind of insulted that you have said that I NEED Proof yet you are stating far more outrageous ideas then me about the creation of life with NO PROOF. it is quite hypocritical of you and frankly ignorant. sweet pea, the bible is an incomplete book of the rambleings of old men. the king james version alone was thought to be written by over 50 people over a period of 1500 years. half te book is missing thanks to the Council of Miceine. and the translators made countless mistakes when they translated it to english. dont tell me what the bible says, or that its true. uhm....if the bible isnt incomplete, then why do we have historical documents in THE VATICAN stating that at the council of maicine they went through and DISCARDED books of the bible, mainly ones that showed jesus as anything other than divine. and noone back then was truely educated in other languages, so translating the texts there was PLENTY of mistakes, watch the history channel, you might learn something. the King James version of the bible IS INCOMPLETE and many of the translating done in the middle ages is INCORRECT! ask any jewish person and they'll tell you the truth that it's also stupid to take the bible seriously. after all, THEY wrote the old testement and thats THEIR book still. im sure any of them would be happy to empart some knowledge unto you.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:58 am
 I see no proof here. Just religious bull.
And Xallus, I think either the Discovery or History Channel is doing a series on a theory about aliens visiting in ancient times. I don't really believe it, but you may find some interesting things. wink 
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:02 pm
Shady-chan I see no proof here. And Xallus, I think the Discover Channel is doing a series on a theory about aliens visiting in ancient times.
I don't really believe it, but you may find some interesting things. wink
I should check if I have that channel now! After I moved out I didn't have cable television for a few months. XD
As far as religions go, a theory of how Aliens visited our ancient ancestors is one of the more sound theories out there to me. I like to consider myself Agnostic, but there are just some religions out there that I can't find any way they could possibly have happened.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:04 pm
yeah, the show is called ancient aleins i think, history channel is my homebase. i LOVE it!!
when it comes to history, te history channel has it covered! XD....its a standard channel, so you should have it, Xallus.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:44 pm
how do we know this god is real,after all,there are more religions with diferent gods.Also ancient civilizations had other gods too.Well i dont know if you understand what i ment to say sweatdrop
personally,i dont belive in god
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:27 pm
Princess Zelda21 LithiumXwolf Princess Zelda21 cleolvtempus how can you tell me that god FOR SURE created the first man and woman? you have NO PROOF where I do. i have theories that have been supported by actual SCIENCE, like evolution with Fossils, and the big bang (yes not completely proven to be true yet as we will NEVER know how the universe began but its still the best explanation that we have). you can NOT tell me that if god didn't exist we would not be alive. you have NO PROOF, and i am stressing that since that is what this forum was asking in the first place, weather i want proof that god exists and frankly you have none therefore, he does not. and there is a HUGE possible way that the world created itself, it is called gravitational pull around the sun, with that pull came the compacting of molecules and dust in space compacting into this round thing we call earth. and over time the earth started to cool and heat up and cool again and water was formed from the cooling and so on and so forth. open any high school science text book and you will learn the whole process of how the EARTH created itself. frankly i am kind of insulted that you have said that I NEED Proof yet you are stating far more outrageous ideas then me about the creation of life with NO PROOF. it is quite hypocritical of you and frankly ignorant. sweet pea, the bible is an incomplete book of the rambleings of old men. the king james version alone was thought to be written by over 50 people over a period of 1500 years. half te book is missing thanks to the Council of Miceine. and the translators made countless mistakes when they translated it to english. dont tell me what the bible says, or that its true.
the bible was written by men, for men, not for god. god had NOTHING to do with making those men write the bible(besides religious want). MAN wrote the bible for themselves. and there are about 10 or more different versions of the bible, not including bibles of different religious of the same basis like Judaism, and Muslim (sorry if i spelt either of those religions wrong). and they WERE translated wrong (in part) considering the ORIGINAL writing of the Bible was in Latin, so unless you are reading the Latin original of the Bible (which, I am sorry, i highly doubt you are as i am sure you do not know any Latin) then you CAN NOT say that the bible was translated correctly since some words from Latin do not even translate properly into English, therefore the translators actually reworded the bible to fit what we did have in the English language. and this is all without stating the clear fact that the bible, a book written by MAN, does NOT in anyway shape or form PROVE that god exists. sorry my dear but it does not. especially since the bible dates the beginning of the earth to being around 4004 BC....the MAIN issue with this claim is that there is PROOF of people existing BEFORE 4004 BC, actually all the way up to around 10,000 BC and BEYOND. the Sphinx in Egypt is thought to be around 12,000 years old, meaning it was created BEFORE god supposedly created the earth. so putting aside the issue of weather or not god exists (which i still hold that he does not) you can not use the bible as your reason for his existence since the earth itself and our history itself has proven it to be wrong in the historical sense that you are using it. so if you want to try and prove to us that god exists you are going to have to pull something more substantial out then just "the bible says so". sorry but that is the cheap and inaccurate way out of this debate.
and a side note, please look up the term hypocritical as i do not think you understand its meaning, for if you did you would have noticed that i am not being hypocritical by stating my own opinion and providing information to support my opinion. if i just stated my opinion without any proof and asked that you believe it without the proof but demand proof from you THEN I would be hypocritical...if you follow me ^_^
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:46 pm
cleolvtempus
the bible was written by men, for men, not for god. god had NOTHING to do with making those men write the bible(besides religious want). MAN wrote the bible for themselves. and there are about 10 or more different versions of the bible, not including bibles of different religious of the same basis like Judaism, and Muslim (sorry if i spelt either of those religions wrong). and they WERE translated wrong (in part) considering the ORIGINAL writing of the Bible was in Latin, so unless you are reading the Latin original of the Bible (which, I am sorry, i highly doubt you are as i am sure you do not know any Latin) then you CAN NOT say that the bible was translated correctly since some words from Latin do not even translate properly into English, therefore the translators actually reworded the bible to fit what we did have in the English language. and this is all without stating the clear fact that the bible, a book written by MAN, does NOT in anyway shape or form PROVE that god exists. sorry my dear but it does not. especially since the bible dates the beginning of the earth to being around 4004 BC....the MAIN issue with this claim is that there is PROOF of people existing BEFORE 4004 BC, actually all the way up to around 10,000 BC and BEYOND. the Sphinx in Egypt is thought to be around 12,000 years old, meaning it was created BEFORE god supposedly created the earth. so putting aside the issue of weather or not god exists (which i still hold that he does not) you can not use the bible as your reason for his existence since the earth itself and our history itself has proven it to be wrong in the historical sense that you are using it. so if you want to try and prove to us that god exists you are going to have to pull something more substantial out then just "the bible says so". sorry but that is the cheap and inaccurate way out of this debate.
and a side note, please look up the term hypocritical as i do not think you understand its meaning, for if you did you would have noticed that i am not being hypocritical by stating my own opinion and providing information to support my opinion. if i just stated my opinion without any proof and asked that you believe it without the proof but demand proof from you THEN I would be hypocritical...if you follow me ^_^thank you for your extensively CORRECT knowledge on the subject. apparently she doesnt recognize the numerous holes in er argument...she shouldve taken this to her english teacher to review before bringing it to us....and maybe to a pastor as well. my pastor was man enough to acknowledge and admit to te church that (quote previously said tings in argument) is true. no matter how anyone puts it in her favor, the argument is invalid, and henceforth almost totally proven untrue.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:08 pm
People cant prove god exists because its just a fairytale man created for themselves so that they would be able to blame there wrongs on something/someone
(if you think im dissing im not im just giving my opinion so please no "your going to hell now" stuff i get that too much people)
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:32 pm
If ya don't believe in God, then fine. Christains have to have faith that God exists because man has its faults. So if ya don't believe, then find, but Chistains can have faith.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:39 pm
way i see it, i dont beleive alot of the stuff people tell me, i just know to much for that to be possible. all the different religions aroung the world, and through history....
i beleive there has to be SOMETHING out there.
i just dont think that anyone on earth truely KNOWS who or what it is.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:18 pm
@ City of glass : I am perfectly fine with people believing in a god, or multiple gods or whatever, but the topic of this was if i wanted proof that god exists, and i said yes i do. i personally do not believe in a higher being(s) but i will not hold it against someone if they do. i was just taking part in the debate of this topic and when someone chooses to also take part then they should understand that i am going to try and prove them wrong just like they are trying to prove me wrong. but again if they believe in a god then i am perfectly ok with that ^_^ to each his (or her) own. just let it be understood that i love to debate ^_^
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:30 pm
There isn't any legitimate proof that he exists! Just because the BIBLE says so, doesn't mean it'[/color]s true ! For All we know, some schizophrenic dumbass could have made up a bunch of random crap!
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:18 pm
Um, whose idea was it to start a topic about religion? That's always a bad idea. Listen carefully to what I'm about to say: There are countless beliefs about creation and existence, no one here is going to change anyone's mind about what they believe, and the methods of debate both sides are using are childish and asinine. Stop replying to this thread if you have an ounce of intelligence in your wonderful human head.
Zeppelin rules.
That is all.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:16 pm
I actually originally started the religious subforum a few years ago specifically to learn about other religions and their beliefs, not to fight on what is true or not. but when the guild was revised it was changed to religion, debating and discussing. personally this should probably be moved to the debate subforum. and there is nothing wrong with asking this question and discussing/debating it. its apart of learning. you can learn a lot about your own faith through a debate with someone of the opposite belief. so i say let everyone keep debating the topic, everyone can learn something through this.
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