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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:51 pm
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Kyle_Nightly People have always picked the parts they want to follow and the parts they don't. It's annoying yes, but who are we to tell them what they can and can not believe? I can tell them the truth- if they choose not to believe it, then it's a sin of Pride and I can point that out too.
The thing about being a moral person is that sometimes that means not pretending that we're isolated- in some cases being moral means not ignoring stuff just because someone else wants to believe in a lie.
Quote: Except: I'm not even sure why you brought up how it's potentially harmful to LGBT* when I already included in brackets "Unless it's harmful..." etc. Because trust me, I know. I was encompassing bullying in my train of thought there. As long as everyone is comfortable and safe, I see little problem with being selective with your faith. The key component here being that everyone is having a good time. To me, hurt and harm aren't the same thing- telling someone the truth might hurt, but it isn't harm. You can lie to someone to avoid hurting them- but you might be harming them. Quote: Of course when it starts getting out of hand, or dangerous to an individual or group, that's when it stops being okay. I think it starts a long time before that- especially for Christians since bigotry isn't loving so it's against God's command to love everyone.
Quote: The guy being talked about in this thread is a member of the LGBT* community, he is also religious and thinks he is going to Hell. If he still thinks it's worth being Religious, despite that belief and is not having aggressive inner struggles, then I am impressed. The best cure for that is to tell the truth about what Christianity teaches instead of supporting people who cherry pick to support their homophobia. cat_3nodding
Quote: Still standing by the "No absolute statements" thing. We're coming at it from two different angles and you seem to think I'm wrong but it's something I keep in mind when regarding any world Religion. I think it's wrong because it's self defeating when it's looked at from all the angles. I think the problem is that the philosophy you hold refuses to accept it is possible to be wrong, or maybe that we have the ability to tell when something is wrong, it's hard to tell which.
Quote: I Grew up with this stuff too, I've seen/experienced my fair share of Queer bashing and slut shaming because of Religion. It was all because of what people choose to put emphasis on and how they chose to practice. That, I believe is wrong. In Christianity- sin isn't limited to actions only.
Quote: On the other hand, people with uncertainty about heaven and hell, what leads where and etc. I'd argue the lines there are a lot more blurry. I can accept that there are multiple ways to be a Christian, I don't think this kid believing he is going to hell is exactly cherry picking. Sure there are multiple ways to be Christian- but that doesn't make them all ways to be a good Christian.
Quote: How you got to LGBT* issues is beyond me, I think most people here are aware of the problems we all face in society regarding some Religious views and how those are harmful. It was a concrete example of how telling people the truth might hurt, but it prevents harm- it was a tangible thing that shows that just because Christians believe it- that doesn't make it right and people can do bad things when they focus on being tolerant instead of doing what is right.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:59 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:07 am
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Sin Error zach300 I do know that in the bible it says that Homosexuality is a sin but it also says that if you ask to be forgiven for your sins then you can make it into heaven. correction, the bible does not mention that homosexuality is wrong. no where in the bible says laying or having relationships with the same sex is a sin. "A man shall not lay with another man as he lies with a woman" ok, but lesbians are ok? what about gay dolphins or gay penguins? so you see, I believe this is not reffering to homosexuality, rather than the action of being with a woman and then cheat on her with another man.
It does.... In Leviticus it talks about man lying with man (sans regard to marriage). Then Deuteronomy speaks specifically of homosexuality with the story on the Sodomites and the angel.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:58 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:39 am
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zach300 Sin Error zach300 I do know that in the bible it says that Homosexuality is a sin but it also says that if you ask to be forgiven for your sins then you can make it into heaven. correction, the bible does not mention that homosexuality is wrong. no where in the bible says laying or having relationships with the same sex is a sin. "A man shall not lay with another man as he lies with a woman" ok, but lesbians are ok? what about gay dolphins or gay penguins? so you see, I believe this is not reffering to homosexuality, rather than the action of being with a woman and then cheat on her with another man. It does.... In Leviticus it talks about man lying with man (sans regard to marriage). Then Deuteronomy speaks specifically of homosexuality with the story on the Sodomites and the angel.
Can you get me those verses?
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:22 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:16 pm
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As this is MY personal opinion only when I say that Religion is not worth pouring your life over. War, death, madness, poverty and so many other things have come from the most obsessive characters within their religion. I have no problem with any religions, being an Atheist myself....but there are people like you may find on sites like Chr*stW*re who are a disgrace to their religion, bashing everyone and everything they deem 'unholy'.
Although I don't believe in any heavenly beings myself, the facts are that any God/Gods that may or may not be love you for who you are, regardless of race, sexuality, gender and often religion.
((For the people that may actually tolerate Chr*st W*re out there, I doubt everyone on the site thinks that way, but so many are, to my mind, utterly disgusting people.))
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:07 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:00 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:57 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:15 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:15 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:16 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:15 am
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it cracks me up (actually it makes me steaming mad, but anyway) when people are like, "Everything is part of God's plan. If it happens, He meant it to." And then if something they personally disagree with crops up, it's all, "SATAN!!!"
Anyway--I don't believe the bible was every literal or absolute. People wrote the bible, people. They may be considered holy, but they were real, flesh-and-blood, biased, fallible, prejudiced people. They, unlike God, could not possibly have been omniscient. And God, like Dumbledore, would not have told all he knows to lesser beings, who could not comprehend the very surface of his knowledge. He knows the very edges of the Universe, the inner workings of our hearts, how low we can sink and the heights we can reach. He knows what was, what is and all that could be. And thus he knows what WE know--that honest love is humanity's greatest triumph, and that it is no less great between a man and a man or two women or two men and a woman in a three-way relationship or whatever than it is between a man and a woman.
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