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 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:58 pm
Princess Zelda21 *facepalm, smh* Ugh, like I said, you guys are seriously L-O-S-T... and no, I was not being rash. Apparently, everything I've been trying to explain that God does exist seems to literally fall on deaf ears! -_-* Quick question: The Bible is the word of God, because the Bible says so. Correct? So does it follow that the Torah is the word of God, becuse it says so too? What about the Qu'ran? Or the Book of Mormon? Or Principa Discordia? They all say they are the word of God (via a prophet). What makes your book more true? And if books that say they are the word of god are proof; how come Richard Dawkins book The God Delusion (that says there is not a god) is not proof of there being no god?
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:29 pm
PandoraCaitiff Princess Zelda21 *facepalm, smh* Ugh, like I said, you guys are seriously L-O-S-T... and no, I was not being rash. Apparently, everything I've been trying to explain that God does exist seems to literally fall on deaf ears! -_-* Quick question: The Bible is the word of God, because the Bible says so. Correct? So does it follow that the Torah is the word of God, becuse it says so too? What about the Qu'ran? Or the Book of Mormon? Or Principa Discordia? They all say they are the word of God (via a prophet). What makes your book more true? And if books that say they are the word of god are proof; how come Richard Dawkins book The God Delusion (that says there is not a god) is not proof of there being no god?
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:56 pm
Princess Zelda21 Those others you mentioned are NOT the word of God! I'd suggest you do some thorough research on the history behind each of them, the Qu'ran, Book of Mormon and the Principa Discorda. Those last three all completely conflict with what the Bible says, seriously. That's exactly the point I was making. We'll ignore Principa Discordia for the moment, but if three books all say they are the true word of god (relayed by prophets obviously) and the others are wrong/misguided/etc then how can we believe one over the other? Why does the Bible saying it's right trump the Qu'ran saying it is right? EDIT: The Old Testament can be said to be "the word of God", but the New Testament is the writing of men like the apostles.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:16 pm
PandoraCaitiff Princess Zelda21 Those others you mentioned are NOT the word of God! I'd suggest you do some thorough research on the history behind each of them, the Qu'ran, Book of Mormon and the Principa Discorda. Those last three all completely conflict with what the Bible says, seriously. That's exactly the point I was making. We'll ignore Principa Discordia for the moment, but if three books all say they are the true word of god (relayed by prophets obviously) and the others are wrong/misguided/etc then how can we believe one over the other? Why does the Bible saying it's right trump the Qu'ran saying it is right? EDIT: The Old Testament can be said to be "the word of God", but the New Testament is the writing of men like the apostles. ------------------------------------------------------- . All happened to hear the word of God, all wanted to hear it. Mohammad heard it inside a cave for however many years and then voila...you have the Qu'ran ( also...a pythia--the oracle of Delphi- would inhale the volcanic fumes and get visions of the future and so on...). Although none of the apostles knew Jesus, they wrote the New Testament. The Old Testament seems to be a bunch of historically inaccurate accounts of events that never happened. So, I think that the God of the Old Testament is not the same God as the one of the New Testament. --In the New Testament he no longer tells people to sacrifice their children or floods the Earth. Instead he sends his own son(allegedly) and has him sacrificed. --- All human beings are desperate to connect with the divine...the creator, that higher power.Many will start a religion, others will condemn the acts of others as blasphemous."My god supports the bible".... "my prophet achieved nirvana" therefore they must be the correct ones. Therefore they must be right and all others are deluded and inspired by the bogeyman aka 'satan'. This video pretty much explains why someone would claim they could speak with gods and spirits and say that their word is the ultimate truth and the ultimate will of that god/spirit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY0x_YNlhz8And here's some humour: Questions children ask
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:24 pm
Princess Zelda21 Xallus vampirewarrier i don't beleive any one thing could make all the universe, and sertainly not one man, if one thing did create everything it'd be a goddess, not a god.
It all makes sense if you think about it, because I don't know any guy who'd be tempted to eat a ******** apple when some almighty god watched over him. Now if it was the forbidden tree of heavenly bacon....
and second this one post (more then the other posts) made me want to comment so i am for the moment going to pass by the other newer posts. I guess actually i have more of an interesting fact to share then anything else. but first off how do you know that God is male? and why can he not be female? would that really be so wrong? and second if we are all created in the image of god....would that not mean that women are also created in the image of god and therefore god is also male AND female? and honestly i find it a bit offensive so say that my gender was made from a man...its almost oppressive...in fact it is oppressive and is the reason women have had a horrible time of making it out in the world. so i just flat out refuse to believe that little bit of the bible (although i actually don't believe any of the bible but that is besides the point).
I have no idea why understanding who created diets is so important but clearly it was man. there was no involvement of Satan or god or anything besides man and their ignorance.
fourth taking that what you are saying about the serpent tempting Eve to eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, the serpent is always portrayed as being the evil one in this story and i find that quite contradictory. first off i say this because in the bible it says that God told Adam and Eve that they were not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (or what ever its called, i am now just calling it the tree) or they would die. so Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree in the center of the garden. however when Adam was away doing something Eve was alone and the serpent came to her and told her to eat from the tree. Eve said no because God told them not too. the Serpent replied that God did not want them to eat from the tree because he knew that if they do they would become like Gods themselves by having the knowledge of good and evil. that they would not die and that god lied to them. and when Eve finally decided to eat from the tree and she gained the knowledge of good and evil she also understood that she was naked and it was inappropriate and so fourth and had Adam also eat from the tree and he too found the same blah blah blah.
what i am getting at here is that the serpent told the truth. the serpent never lied to Eve, he never forced her to do anything either. he told her the truth that God did not want them to know. God's only hold over them was knowing about good and evil that they did not understand and once they ate from the tree they did not die like God had said they instead learned all the things God didn't want them to know and probably all the things that god knew about the world and therefore became like Gods themselves.
in the end the Serpent is actually the good character in this story. the Serpent is the only one who told the truth and who wanted Eve to be stronger then she already was. God was the lair and the evil one in the story. he lied to them about the tree saying if they ate it they would die, which they did not do AND then he kicked them out of the garden to die in the wilderness.......expect even that is not true. Adam and Eve had children and when the one brother killed the other he ran away and ended up in a village where there were other people......NOT created by god who he then married and ended up with......so another question posed who are the other people? if god created all life then when the hell did he create these other random people who are now mating with the son of Adam and Eve????? just another outside question. ANYWAYS that wasn't me trying to really debate any further but more share some little insight to that story that you seem to believe to be a truth.......just something to think about i guess. one more reason why i don't believe in the all omnipotent, omnipresent god or whatever. In the way i read that story we are all gods now and that is why he no longer exists......besides the fact that i never actually believed he exied anyways.......
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:40 am
cleolvtempus Princess Zelda21 Xallus vampirewarrier i don't beleive any one thing could make all the universe, and sertainly not one man, if one thing did create everything it'd be a goddess, not a god.
It all makes sense if you think about it, because I don't know any guy who'd be tempted to eat a ******** apple when some almighty god watched over him. Now if it was the forbidden tree of heavenly bacon....
and second this one post (more then the other posts) made me want to comment so i am for the moment going to pass by the other newer posts. I guess actually i have more of an interesting fact to share then anything else. but first off how do you know that God is male? and why can he not be female? would that really be so wrong? and second if we are all created in the image of god....would that not mean that women are also created in the image of god and therefore god is also male AND female? and honestly i find it a bit offensive so say that my gender was made from a man...its almost oppressive...in fact it is oppressive and is the reason women have had a horrible time of making it out in the world. so i just flat out refuse to believe that little bit of the bible (although i actually don't believe any of the bible but that is besides the point).
I have no idea why understanding who created diets is so important but clearly it was man. there was no involvement of Satan or god or anything besides man and their ignorance.
fourth taking that what you are saying about the serpent tempting Eve to eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, the serpent is always portrayed as being the evil one in this story and i find that quite contradictory. first off i say this because in the bible it says that God told Adam and Eve that they were not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (or what ever its called, i am now just calling it the tree) or they would die. so Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree in the center of the garden. however when Adam was away doing something Eve was alone and the serpent came to her and told her to eat from the tree. Eve said no because God told them not too. the Serpent replied that God did not want them to eat from the tree because he knew that if they do they would become like Gods themselves by having the knowledge of good and evil. that they would not die and that god lied to them. and when Eve finally decided to eat from the tree and she gained the knowledge of good and evil she also understood that she was naked and it was inappropriate and so fourth and had Adam also eat from the tree and he too found the same blah blah blah.
what i am getting at here is that the serpent told the truth. the serpent never lied to Eve, he never forced her to do anything either. he told her the truth that God did not want them to know. God's only hold over them was knowing about good and evil that they did not understand and once they ate from the tree they did not die like God had said they instead learned all the things God didn't want them to know and probably all the things that god knew about the world and therefore became like Gods themselves.
in the end the Serpent is actually the good character in this story. the Serpent is the only one who told the truth and who wanted Eve to be stronger then she already was. God was the lair and the evil one in the story. he lied to them about the tree saying if they ate it they would die, which they did not do AND then he kicked them out of the garden to die in the wilderness.......expect even that is not true. Adam and Eve had children and when the one brother killed the other he ran away and ended up in a village where there were other people......NOT created by god who he then married and ended up with......so another question posed who are the other people? if god created all life then when the hell did he create these other random people who are now mating with the son of Adam and Eve????? just another outside question. ANYWAYS that wasn't me trying to really debate any further but more share some little insight to that story that you seem to believe to be a truth.......just something to think about i guess. one more reason why i don't believe in the all omnipotent, omnipresent god or whatever. In the way i read that story we are all gods now and that is why he no longer exists......besides the fact that i never actually believed he exied anyways.......I agree with you entirely... I like the serpent.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:35 pm
cleolvtempus Princess Zelda21 NO NO NO! God is NOT a girl! God is a GUY! Yes, He created the first man Adam, and created the first woman by removing one of Adam's ribs to create Eve. NO there was NO mention of what kind of fruit the tree of knowledge of good and evil had in the Bible! Man created the concept of diets, NOT the devil! Satan took the form of a serpent in the Garden of Eden and TEMPTED Eve to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil saying that if they did they'd be just like God. So she did, then convinced Adam to do the same, which he did also! (Genesis 2:21 & Genesis 3:1-6)
and second this one post (more then the other posts) made me want to comment so i am for the moment going to pass by the other newer posts. I guess actually i have more of an interesting fact to share then anything else. but first off how do you know that God is male? and why can he not be female? would that really be so wrong? and second if we are all created in the image of god....would that not mean that women are also created in the image of god and therefore god is also male AND female? and honestly i find it a bit offensive so say that my gender was made from a man...its almost oppressive...in fact it is oppressive and is the reason women have had a horrible time of making it out in the world. so i just flat out refuse to believe that little bit of the bible (although i actually don't believe any of the bible but that is besides the point).
I have no idea why understanding who created diets is so important but clearly it was man. there was no involvement of Satan or god or anything besides man and their ignorance.
fourth taking that what you are saying about the serpent tempting Eve to eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, the serpent is always portrayed as being the evil one in this story and i find that quite contradictory. first off i say this because in the bible it says that God told Adam and Eve that they were not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (or what ever its called, i am now just calling it the tree) or they would die. so Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree in the center of the garden. however when Adam was away doing something Eve was alone and the serpent came to her and told her to eat from the tree. Eve said no because God told them not too. the Serpent replied that God did not want them to eat from the tree because he knew that if they do they would become like Gods themselves by having the knowledge of good and evil. that they would not die and that god lied to them. and when Eve finally decided to eat from the tree and she gained the knowledge of good and evil she also understood that she was naked and it was inappropriate and so fourth and had Adam also eat from the tree and he too found the same blah blah blah.
what i am getting at here is that the serpent told the truth. the serpent never lied to Eve, he never forced her to do anything either. he told her the truth that God did not want them to know. God's only hold over them was knowing about good and evil that they did not understand and once they ate from the tree they did not die like God had said they instead learned all the things God didn't want them to know and probably all the things that god knew about the world and therefore became like Gods themselves.
in the end the Serpent is actually the good character in this story. the Serpent is the only one who told the truth and who wanted Eve to be stronger then she already was. God was the lair and the evil one in the story. he lied to them about the tree saying if they ate it they would die, which they did not do AND then he kicked them out of the garden to die in the wilderness.......expect even that is not true. Adam and Eve had children and when the one brother killed the other he ran away and ended up in a village where there were other people......NOT created by god who he then married and ended up with......so another question posed who are the other people? if god created all life then when the hell did he create these other random people who are now mating with the son of Adam and Eve????? just another outside question. ANYWAYS that wasn't me trying to really debate any further but more share some little insight to that story that you seem to believe to be a truth.......just something to think about i guess. one more reason why i don't believe in the all omnipotent, omnipresent god or whatever. In the way i read that story we are all gods now and that is why he no longer exists......besides the fact that i never actually believed he exied anyways.......
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:34 am
Quote: Bull crap! God has ALWAYS been male, NEVER a female! As for the serpent, he WAS the DEVIL who LIED to Eve! He was the evil one! God NEVER LIED about the tree of knowledge of good and evil! NO we are NOT gods and NEVER will be! Where in the world did you get that ludicrous idea? We're just humans created from the dust of the ground, therefore when we die, that's where our bodies will return to. True God did send Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden because they disobeyed Him when He told them NOT to eat the fruit from that tree of knowledge of good and evil. Look it up in the bible if you don't believe me. -_-* "For the day thou eatest thereof,thou shalt surely die"... hypothetically speaking, Adam and Eve did not die. So it was a lie from "God". No...we were not 'created' from dust. We evolved from microorganisms. Do you see people sprouting from the sand?... oh,wait, isn't that the same thing some people say about evolution? Man did not evolve from apes, but from a common ancestor. Going to the hypothetical situation found in the Bible... man and woman would eventually disobey. The serpent did them a favour. Until then,they had not experienced sex, or truth. Imagine how dull that state of ignorance would have been. I would have offed myself. And again... "look it up in the Bible" is like telling me to go read the Grimm' s fairy tales to find evidence of talking wolves or something along those lines. That is ludicrous. Oh,and I think in order for any deity to create anything he must have impregnated himself. Therefore he was both male and female. Again, assuming there are gods.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:10 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:09 am
*serious. I do not mean to come off as serious or overly vehement. But there are things which need to be clarified. That is all.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:01 pm
XxrationalsexybitchxX *serious. I do not mean to come off as serious or overly vehement. But there are things which need to be clarified. That is all.
I don't mean to seem too serious either, but when a person is asking for other peoples opinions on a topic and I give mine but someone else ends up telling me I am wrong, well then I am just going to go full force into it. it was a debate and someone asked a question and i answered it. if someone is going to tell me i am wrong with out answering the questions then well that just means i am going to argue back. there is no hate behind it or anything I just really like debating ^_^
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:28 pm
Yes I would like proof.
I won't believe in god unless I know he/she exists.
But there's hundreds and hundreds of gods, goddesses, deities, etc. . .
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:33 pm
can we all not believe in what/who we want to believe in be they Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Devils or Demons, can't we all just get along?.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:30 pm
Wildear19 can we all not believe in what/who we want to believe in be they Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Devils or Demons, can't we all just get along?. Believe in what you will. I think we are all entitled to those things.But when viewpoints are imposed upon others or when they lead people to commit acts against others--in their search to convert them,harm them and/or harass them, then a line is crossed. If you make absolutist claims, I see it as my duty to challenge them. We could get along if we did good without having to say that we can only do good if we believe in so and so. Does that answer your question?
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:59 am
I agree that if "The Big Bang" could create something SO complex as the human body, then how could "It" not create the ability for two people of the same gender to have a family together.
Oh wait, I know. Because God didn't want it that way. wink
Alas, we will never be able to truly prove that God does or does not exist.
We can only believe and pray.
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