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 Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:02 am
Mellotine Are the expensive drawing materials truly worth the price? Or is it kind of just like Starbucks, a symbol of greatness or whatever?^^; *not trying to be offensive* I ask, because, not only are they quite expensive wherever you look, but I haven't got any shops to browse in except, like, a WalMart. (and not even a Super WalMart, at that x.x ) Can you truly not do the same thing with a pack of Crayola colored pencils as with Prismacolor? (I /do/ hear Prismas are waxier than Crayola, for better blending, but... =/ )
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:57 pm
I've noticed not many have said charcoal. I use these sometimes, but they're better when they're sticks, and not pencil pencils.
Copics have good quality, but they are very expensive. They are also hard to find, so you order online. I find it hard to believe a twelve set of copics is about 77 u.s dollars. o_______O
And I saw people were talking about the price of art materials and if they were worth it. Not everything has to be expensive to be good. But they are worth what you pay for. But there are other brands out there that aren't as expensive as some. If you want to go professional, maybe the expensive brands are best, but I find crayola to be good.
Prismacolors aren't too bad either, but like most of you mentioned, they are very waxy and crumbly. I used to have a problem like this with crayons. Cover up the paper first. :3
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:35 pm
Pencils OK, I've found that for sketching and creating ideas for a drawing, graphite pencils are the way to go. I have a set of 12 that I got for a pretty good price a long time ago that has leds ranging from 9B to H. You can use different leds for different shades of pencil. Normally I start off with F, then darken the lines I want with one such as 3B.
Transfering and Paper I've found that simply taking a peice of tracing paper, shading it with a pencil, and wiping it with a Kleenix or toilet paper to spread the led around is a quicker stradegie then erasing lines, with an eraser or with a computer. After I have the sketching paper prepared I tape it to the back of the drawing so that it covers what I want, making sure the graphite covered side is facing away from the paper. Then I tape a peice of computer paper to the back over the tracing paper. I use computer paper for the final peice, just because it works fairly well with Copic and is cheaper and more available to me. Anyhow, I flip over the stack and trace the picture with a black pen, making sure to press hard so that the loose graphite on the tracing paper will get pressed onto the computer paper. After I'm done, I carefully peal off half of the computer paper and check to make sure all the lines I wanted went through. If they didn't all I have to do is fold it back over and trace over the ones that were missed. When everything that I want is there, I finally take the computer paper off and trae the lines that I want with a normal regular black ball point pen. Then I make 2 copies of it with my printer/scanner/copier and scan it, to give myself a variety of options.
Coloring The only expensive art supply I have is a 72 set of Copic markers that work more beautifully then any other brand I've tried. As people have said, prismacolor markers royally suck, at least in my opinion. For any background work, I usually just use Photoshop because they are what I am worst at and have the least amount of supplies for. I think that, eventually, after I save up enough money, I will get an airbrush and play with it as a tool for coloring and creating backgrounds. I need to improve on my abilities outside of drawing people. Oh, I also use both copies I make of the original: one to see what colors fit best and to "practice" so that I make less mistakes, the other to be the final copy.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:14 pm
Neisan-kun_Kamui Only so many people know wherer to get art supplies that are just awesome for american artist. Well, here is a list of some of the things that most people (especially beginners) need to know about: You can get all of these supplies from one type of brand: Deleter Which is the main brand that KNOCK (my manga-ka group) uses. You can see some of my random artwork using these supplies at: http://www.jonetsuitamashii.deviantart.comManga Paper: For Proffesional/Commercial Publishing use Size B4 For Doujinshi use A4 or B5 For Color Illustrations, Kent Paper seems to be the best Pen Nibs: For fine lines: Maru (great for small details such as hands and hair. I use this nib for most of my work, but they are much more expensive) For even lines: Saji (I use these for illustrations, but you can use these with pressure if you want uneven and smooth lines) For thick lines: G-Nib (great for action scenes and manga realism) Pencils: I use Zebra mechanical pencils, but for large drawings, use standard pencils (maybe F, HB, or 2B) Ink: I use Sumi (indian ink) But there is a large variety of inks. For color illustrations, make sure that you use water proof and non-water solluable (if that is spelled right xD) Screentone: There is a LARGE amount of different types of tone you can use. But if you want to save your money... use digital tones. I use Deleter ComicWorks. There are also many different brands, but that all comes from experience. Coloring: I just started using Prismacolor pencils, but pencils are harder to use than markers. But if you are going to use pencils, make sure that you add LIGHT layers, for that can be a hassle to erase. And blend every now and then. With markers, they are softer, and tend to be expensive, but DON'T get Prismacolor makers. You may be better off with Neopiko or Copic. I am trying to get some Neopiko markers, but McDonalds doesn't pay too much xD;!! Well, this is just BASIC, so I hope this helps the inspired artist in you!  I just so happen to like them, especially the skin tones, The trick all along, is to go with the markers, yep, they're expensive, but well worth it in the long run! So there!!!
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:48 pm
I LOVE using Copic and Prisma markers on stage three acrylic paper, it looks so cool!!
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:49 am
well since i am a beginner and have very little money i just use standard drawing paper or even printer paper sometimes when i run out of drawing paper i use Mars-Lumograph pencils i use mainly the Hs and HB side then B which are great and cheep and a ball point pen with liquid ink instead of gel cause i perfer the way it looks compared to the gel and also the gel tends to be a bit on the shiny side while the liquid ink is more dull but shows the lines alot better
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:36 pm
dont buy prisma color makers? why not? i got a set of them for christmas and I am in love with them! but whatever its all preference... but i think you should change the post so its more like "Personally i dont like prismacolor markers at all" or something like that, cuz some people like me (and tinpanchuck) like them!
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:49 pm
x3
I use uh. A mechanical drafting pencil for sketched, mainly because it's easier to make details. Well. For me anyways.
And Prismacolor colored pencils are the best ever. D: <3
The lead's nice and soft on my set and it makes everything look uh. Better. Smoother maybe.
D;
I've never used anything but Prismacolor markers but. I'm not good with markers anyways, so I don't think it matters as much to me.
Oh. Pfft. Regular typing paper.
xD;;
Subliminal.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:29 pm
Well, I haven't really heard of many of those brands. I only have a small selection of art supplies. I do use some prismacolour coloured pencils.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:38 am
I dont really use fancy name brand art supplies, a pencil, nib pen, colored pencil, india ink, and sketch pad are good enough for me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:26 pm
Prismacolors are fine, you jsut gotta know how to use em, i make mine look better than some copic colored pictures, but copics are still very nice for the hair and for the brush strokes. prismacolor markers aren't that bad. they're my first markers and i think that they were nice to work with as a beginner, cuz they are cheap, and i don't want to waste good copics on my crappy begginner art XD that's all i wanted to say, but inexpensive art stuff is a nice thing to post =]
[the art in my sig was done with prismacolours, and nothing looks bad except the hair]
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:18 pm
Pencils: I've used regular Bic (or whatever I could find lying around) mechanical pencils for the longest time.
Pens/Inking: My favourite thing to use is my Pilot Fineliner. It works really well for all sorts of lines, and is an inexpensive solution, when there are no large art supply stores for me to buy higher quality supplies. I had some Copic pens for a few years, but they finally died on me, and I don't have the means to purchase refills/replacements.
Paper: My sketchbook? Bought at Wal-Mart? XD Often bought many at a time, since I seem to plow through them like nobody's business. x3
Colouring: Laurentian coloured pencils, and the Prismacolors, if I can find them. (Half of the set are in storage, and I'd like to use them, but that basement floor is creepy as all heck. So yeah. Eventually I'll go get them and have a lovely time playing with blending options! 8D
Oh yeah, and Adobe Photoshop Elements 3.0 for my CG work. <33
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:51 pm
For pencils, I HIGHLY reccoment technical pencils by staedtler. Theyre kind of weird... You have to buy the lead separately and a lead pointer (the sharpener) but you can get your leads needle sharp and they have various colored lead and differen't strengths. Most professional comic artists use these for pencilling pages, I'm told. =o
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:44 pm
I use mechanical pencils for sketching because normal pencils make it looks bulky
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:44 am
Good advice for traditional artists.
I stick to plain old lead pencils, printer paper... I ink and color on photoshop. =P
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