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 Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:43 pm
I've heard this too many times over this site: that the Christian God is this unforgiving horrible being that has created this flawed race and expects them to all be perfect. I've heard things like: "The Christian God sends people to hell who don't believe in him" and such. My first point is: Please don't talk about our God unless you understand our religion! Please, I'm a very strong Catholic, who is personally hurt when I hear these horrible things about the God that I love. Secondly: Who does God send to Hell? In truth, not many people, even atheists. He doesn't judge people on whether or not they believe in him, but more of whether or not they make bad decisions. He sends people to Hell if they do bad things AND ARN"T SORRY FOR THIER CRIMES. Jews, and Budists, and Muslims all have the same chance of getting into Heaven as long as they are sorry for the bad things that they have done! Thirdly: The God that we Catholics worship is a forgiving and flexible God. He doesn't send, for example, Lollypopians (a religion I made up just as an example), to hell if they worship The lollypop god, because he understands that they were born into thier faith, and or probably just as faithful to thier god as Christians are to thiers! And this IS NOT THE LOLLYPOPIANS FAULT! It also isn't my fault for being a Christian, and neither is this a fault in the first place! So, 1. Please don't dedicate entire threads to making the Christian God look evil, it makes me sad and hurts me personally. 2. If you are going to talk about our God, don't talk about him unless you know the entire story. So, the theme of this thread is that: THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS NOT EVIL, AND THIS IS JUST A STERiOTYPE! PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT OUR GOD, WHICH WE WORSHIP AND BASE OUR ENTIRE LIFE AROUND, IN A NEGITIVE WAY!!!! PLEASE! Post your comments below and tell me what you think. Kamirose edit: Before posting, please remember our rules on religious debate and keep this thread civil.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:49 pm
Theres no need to be so defensive,and no need to say nobody knows what their talking about.Most of the "anti-christians" were born and rasied as christians and know the relgion fairly well.They may not know as much as say,the pope,but they can back up their facts most of the time.
Second,I don't really see that many threads say "god is evil,we're all going to hell" or "gods just one big myth."Most are about conflicts between sexuality and religion,such as "I'm gay but I still go to church.Its hard to make the two fit.Help please!" or something of the like.There are a few extremists out there,but they are more then likely part of the uneducated masses.
And last,not all of us are athiest or pagan,ect. I myself was raised christian,became an athiest for a while,and recently converted back.
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:46 am
I agree with both sentiments above: there are people who have been mistreated by "Christians" who are homophobic and use the Bible to support their cause and become resentful towards Christianity. However, there are also people who don't realize that those so-called Christians really DON'T follow the ideals of their faith, and are thus as ignorant as the homophobes.
However, there's one thing about the original poster that rubs me the wrong way: you complain about people who talk about your religion and don't really understand it, yet you're talking about people worshiping Buddha. Buddha is not a god, he was a real person: Siddhartha Gautama. "Buddha" is just a name/title that means "Enlightened One."
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:48 pm
I understand exactly what this is saying but just some people, Christians, Catholics, Baptists, ect, all have told me before that I will go to hell because i dont believe in him and that I spport Gay Marriage and all that crap >>;;;
I myself and Buddhist, which is another thing people say I'm going to hell for. I dont believe any of that and I'm glad that someone actually can look closely at the bible and see that. I may not be of the religion itself but I do study it and other religions, so I am not ignorant to the facts.
And Buddha was not a God; we follow his example to find enlightenment. He was a human being who found enlightenment, so quoting you:
"If you are going to talk about our God, don't talk about him unless you know the entire story"
Buddha is not a god, so I can say the same thing.
People shouldn't really talk about any religious or holy icon without knowing their story, whether it be Vishnu, Iehova, Queztacoatl, Gaia, Seiryu ect
And in my personal opinion, I dont think the Bible is actually history of the world or of Jesus or anything, I think its more like a 'How to not be an a*****e' guide so that the Christian God does not get pissed off at us and send us to hell for being sinners or not being good or something. The stories in there to me are morals.
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The people who RUIN the 'good' Christian repetition are the ones like this one guy, who was Christian, killed an abortion doctor. Hypocrisy much? THOSE people are the psychotic ones ruining the real image of the religion and its people. >>;;;
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:56 pm
Dixtrip I understand exactly what this is saying but just some people, Christians, Catholics, Baptists, ect, all have told me before that I will go to hell because i dont believe in him and that I spport Gay Marriage and all that crap >>;;; I myself and Buddhist, which is another thing people say I'm going to hell for. I dont believe any of that and I'm glad that someone actually can look closely at the bible and see that. I may not be of the religion itself but I do study it and other religions, so I am not ignorant to the facts. And Buddha was not a God; we follow his example to find enlightenment. He was a human being who found enlightenment, so quoting you: "If you are going to talk about our God, don't talk about him unless you know the entire story" Buddha is not a god, so I can say the same thing. People shouldn't really talk about any religious or holy icon without knowing their story, whether it be Vishnu, Iehova, Queztacoatl, Gaia, Seiryu ect And in my personal opinion, I dont think the Bible is actually history of the world or of Jesus or anything, I think its more like a 'How to not be an a*****e' guide so that the Christian God does not get pissed off at us and send us to hell for being sinners or not being good or something. The stories in there to me are morals. EDIT: The people who RUIN the 'good' Christian repetition are the ones like this one guy, who was Christian, killed an abortion doctor. Hypocrisy much? THOSE people are the psychotic ones ruining the real image of the religion and its people. >>;;; Sorry, I know almost nothing about the buddist faith sweatdrop , and was just tyring to give this as an example. because of this miss-understanding, I replaced buddism with my own example religion that I made up off the top of my head. Sorry!
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:41 pm
The problem between sexuality and religion isn't so much the religion; it's Ignorance.
It's an agreed-upon fact that when human beings are introduced to something different that they cannot understand or control, their natural reaction is to fear and shun it.
So what most end up doing is just saying that whatever is in question is "wrong" or "shouldn't be meddled with" because we don't like not being in control.
When someone asks me what it means to be gay, all I can tell them in response is that it's like being straight, only you're attracted to your own gender instead of the other. I'm astonished at how many people cannot understand that when I say it, because I don't see how much more clear the answer could be. It just takes perspective.
And Perspective is the solution to Ignorance. It's accepting that all people are different, many in ways that cannot be modified. It's all a part of the diversity of the human race, and many religions are all trying to lead people to conform to one image.
Now me, personally (speaking for myself), hate religion for this reason (and I distinguish between religion and faith. I don't count them as the same thing). I feel that religion breeds mass ignorance. And it isn't just religion; it's any group of people with their minds set on making the world completely see things their way, and that includes many things outside of religious boundaries too.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:56 pm
I believe that you're incorrect.
Being good does not get you into Heaven, nor does being bad get you into Hell (or at least that's just my educated theological conjecture).
I understand that your religion and your church may have you believe that being good will make God love you. Many of my friends are Catholics, and I've even heard that if I lie to my parents and don't repent about it that I will surely go to Hell.
Catholicism is just wrong, because according to people who practice it, you can do whatever you want and get away with it as long as you repent to a holy person behind a barely see through screen, who will in turn talk to God for you.
This whole "Holier than thou" attitude that the Church exhibits really sickens me.
In my opinion, God is just, God is forgiving, and God is kind. Here's how the Christian God works in my faithful opinion:
If you believe in God, you will go to Heaven.
If you have never been exposed to God, and a "false" religion has been forced down your throat, you will go to Heaven.
If you die a young child or a newborn, you will go to Heaven.
Notice how I never said "If you do good deeds and apologize for the bad ones, you will go to Heaven."
I'll put it like this: A sin is a sin, whether you murdered someone, committed adultery, or just stole a pack of gum from a store. God sees all sins the same way. As long as you believe in God, he will forgive your sins and you will go to Heaven. That's it. Just believe and have faith, and surely you will go to Heaven.
God does not send people to Hell for sinning and not repenting, simply because repenting isn't necessary. God has already forgiven you. A human is just that, a human, and bound to sin.
Please note that I'm not trying to say these things matter-of-factly, I'm saying these things confidently yet being opinionated about it. Believe what you wish.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:10 pm
You have to think of religion like this, there are wackos out there, and they need some one threatening that they will go to hell, to get them not to rape, lie, kill, rob, etc. its like children if you don't threaten for a spanking, timeout, grounding, they think they can do bad things with nothing bad happening to them. And of course there are the true Christians who believe in god not because there crazy, but because they were born into it, and the extremist wackos give the true believers a bad rep.ps. Buddhism not religion, its a way of life, based of a real person.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:26 pm
Quote: ps. Buddhism not religion, its a way of life, based of a real person. It might be a way of life but it is also counted as one of 'The Big Five' world religions. Just fyi. I know it goes against Buddah, but I guess when society has made up their mind, they don't care to differentiate between a way/standard of life and an actual religion. Also please take note that there is some scientific evidence that says that both Muhammad (the most well known prophet of Islam) and Jesus (the most well known prophet of Judaism) were real people. [I say Jesus was the prophet of Judaism because they don't believe he was the messiah where as Christianity does.]
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:22 pm
I'm Catholic, and I have many Catholic friends. Most of my Catholic friends are for gay rights, but there's one who isn't. You can blame it on the church, you can blame it on the Bible, but mostly it all comes down to IGNORANCE.
You see, this friend of mine is, *ahem* not the sharpest tool on the shed, nor is she educated on many other religions/lifestyles. (I'll give you an example here: "I support love, but not THAT KIND of love" in reference to supporting a homosexual's right to love) Most Christians against the LGBT community aren't educated. In fact, a recent poll shows that Catholics and Christians are the LEAST educated on other religions/lifestyles. Sure, there are the intelligent and independent followers who make their own decisions and still believe in Him, but there is a few who are caught under blind faith and ignorance. I agree; Just because there's a minority of undereducated Catholics/Christians who have a voice made louder by media sensationalism DOES NOT make all Catholics/Christians homophobic.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:53 am
The main message of any religion is to love all and respect all. Anyone who refuses to follow these simple rules are hypocrites when they quote their scripture.
People who, for example, say WWJD and claim the answer is "protest at military funerals with signs that say -God hates America- and -Thank God for dead soldiers-" clearly did not learn from "He who is without fault may cast the first stone." We are human and have faults, even with the love and forgiveness of whatever deity we worship. Clay cracks when baked.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:01 am
I don't like religion. I think its just something people made up to control others. God could be a totally different thing. But the thing about God is that he's different to everyone. I don't think many of us actually have the same exact God. Our opinions change him or her or it or whatever God is in your own mind. Which is another reason I don't do religion. Seems like if religion was something meant to help people that it would just be the same for everyone or even if we all took different paths it would lead to the same thing, but it doesnt. So in my opinon, Jesus is the sun, God is a scientist who also goes by the aliases of 'the force' and 'nature' and religion were all myths from way back when people didn't wear much clothing. And as for God being evil, thats all relative. All we know about God comes from a book that has probably been tampered with too much to mean much of anything anymore. And even if it hasnt, reading leads to different interpretations no matter what. You read it and think its the best thing ever, I read it and think its a racist, homophobic book put together to opress those that the author didnt like. This is why religion and God and anything relating to the matter are so difficult, such strong opinions.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:50 am
I don't like Christianity for the same reason as Indie, and more.
I think religion is an excuse to vent out hatred. I think that people just like having a god-complex, and thinking of others as below them, or, ''evil.''
I also believe people believe in a god, due to fear, and misunderstanding, of the one thing that everyone will go through: death.
I like the idea of many religions, love, and peace, and heaven and all of that, but they have been twisted so badly that they're irrecognizable.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:14 am
Wolfram Asher Davidson The main message of any religion is to love all and respect all. Anyone who refuses to follow these simple rules are hypocrites when they quote their scripture. People who, for example, say WWJD and claim the answer is "protest at military funerals with signs that say -God hates America- and -Thank God for dead soldiers-" clearly did not learn from "He who is without fault may cast the first stone." We are human and have faults, even with the love and forgiveness of whatever deity we worship. Clay cracks when baked. I love this(:
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:34 am
KyrosDevil XIII Quote: ps. Buddhism not religion, its a way of life, based of a real person. It might be a way of life but it is also counted as one of 'The Big Five' world religions. Just fyi. I know it goes against Buddah, but I guess when society has made up their mind, they don't care to differentiate between a way/standard of life and an actual religion. Also please take note that there is some scientific evidence that says that both Muhammad (the most well known prophet of Islam) and Jesus (the most well known prophet of Judaism) were real people. [I say Jesus was the prophet of Judaism because they don't believe he was the messiah where as Christianity does.] "Also please take note that there is some scientific evidence that says that both Muhammad (the most well known prophet of Islam) and Jesus (the most well known prophet of Judaism) were real people." yes there is a lot of proof that Muhammad and/or other deities existed. and i never said they didn't but even if Jesus was a real person it is still a religion because it is a worship of a higher being " Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe.[1] It is commonly regarded as consisting of a person’s relation to God or to gods or spirits.[2] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories associated with their deity or deities, that are intended to give meaning to life. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature."
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