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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:50 pm
I've talked to some of my friends about this before, but I
thought it would make an interesting discussion topic.

I've noticed some variance in the fandom when it comes to
people's opinions on the heights of characters. In some of the
older character profiles, Hidekaz listed the heights of some of
the major characters.

Italy - 172 cm ~ 5'8"
Germany - 180 cm ~ 5'11"
Japan - 165 cm ~ 5'5"
America - 177 cm ~ 5'10"
England - 175 cm ~ 5'9"
France - 175 cm ~ 5'9"
Russia - 182 cm ~ 6'0"
China - 169 cm ~ 5'6½"

Now, I don't know about everyone else, but these heights don't
seem... right to me. They seem almost arbitrary, since they
look to me like they came directly from a chart of the average
heights of men in each nation. Which is an understandable way
to decide their heights, except they're drawn quite differently,
even in canon art.

Russia is generally depicted as though he's really tall and
looming over the others, but he's only 2-3 inches taller than
most of the other allies. France and America are shown as
notably taller than England, but he's the same height as France
and only an inch shorter than America.

This isn't the first time where the creator of a series has listed
the characters with things like heights or weights that seem
impractical. One of my friends was talking about a similar issue
with Bleach characters. An example that comes to mind for me
is Jean Grey from X-Men, who is listed as 5'6" and 115 lbs. 115
lbs. is not necessarily an unreasonable weight for a woman who
is 5'6", but speaking from my own height/weight, and knowledge
of the height/weight of friends of mine, for a woman to have
those stats, she would most likely be small-chested and have
very little muscle. And Jean Grey is often drawn with a huge
chest and quite a bit of muscle, the combination of which
makes that weight pretty unreasonable. But it is
understandable that someone whose body type was nothing like
hers (i.e. a male author) would not realize that the stats they
listed for the character aren't as accurate sounding as they
could be.

Similarly, it is understandable that Japanese authors could
perceive heights differently than people living in countries
where the people are taller on average. 6'0" may seem very tall
to a Japanese man, as well as many women (the average
height of a woman in the US is about 5'4"), but to the average
caucasian man, that isn't actually considered extremely tall.

So, I guess my point is that although I used to go by the
official heights, I've started to view the characters as heights
that seem more accurate to my friends and I.

England's height sounds about right to me. I know that some
people view him as shorter than that, but it really bugs me to
think of him as being short. He may be short in comparison to
some of the other allies, but I really think he'd be about
average height. When people depict him as shorter than that, it
seems like it's just to make him fit more into the whole uke
stereotype, which really bugs me (but I could write a whole
separate post about that).

For Russia to tower over people as he's depicted, I think he
would have to be at least 6'3" (190.5 cm). I tend to see him as
being somewhere around 6'5"-6'6" (195.6-198 cm).

I think America would be somewhere around 6'0"-6'2" (183-188
cm), considering how he's drawn in comparison to England and
Russia.

France would probably be around 5'10"-5'11" (178-180 cm),
since he's often drawn taller than England too, but not as much
so it seems.

I haven't put much thought into the heights of other
characters, but I think Germany should probably be taller than
he's listed, and Italy should probably be shorter.



TL;DR: How tall do you think the characters are?
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:54 pm
To be completely honest, I (unfortunately) just give them vague heights in my mind based on who I want to top whom -- which kind of happened when I started reading fic when I first joined the fandom. So, the only characters whose heights I really think about are France, America, Canada, and England; I see their heights from shortest to tallest as England, France, Canada, and America (who would be the same height in my mind).

I've never really considered Himaruya's heights for the characters. Just my own headcanon. D:
 

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:58 pm
Yeah, I think Canada and America would be the same height too,
since I see them as twins. So whenever I see Canada depicted as
super-uke-short, it makes me a little sad.
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:01 pm
I tend to see him depicted that way only in my massive France/Canada folder where APPARENTLY the Japanese fangirls have, like myself, decided to make their heights relative to their seme/uke status. I think... about 3 out of 90 pieces of art have France being smaller than Matthew.

Now that I've checked the Himaruya heights, though, it just.. kind of makes me laugh because so many of them are really short. It doesn't seem to fit very well in with their... nationalities. D:
 

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:39 pm
I picture Russia being at least 6'5"...  
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:30 pm
Russia... Russia has to be like, 6'9'' in my mind. But 6'6'' sounds about right. XD Also, I have no problem with shorter people topping.

France I've seen explained pretty well. He's supposed to be the same as England but seems taller after all. But see, his hair has more volume and England probably slouches lol. (Chessy-- Like Gary does lol) So those things would make him seem taller. Plus, he could use lifts in his shoes to seem taller--more dashing. Or heels. ♥

I guess Japan and China's are alright, if not tall. XD I think that America is about right though, if you consider the time he actually grew up in. People have gotten taller in time after all, so 6' back in the 17-1800's would have been odd here. But of course he could grow more, and I think 6' isn't implausible.

Though if you bumped America up you'd have to bump Germany up, since I can't see him being shorter... And I can't see Italy any taller, so .. I guess the only height I have problems with is Russia in the end, since everything else can be explained.  

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:52 pm
I think heels are definitely possible for France. XD

I mainly think that America should be taller since he's often
shown as being significantly taller than England. One inch isn't
much of a difference, after all. I can't really see England being
a sloucher since good posture is a big part of etiquette and
whatnot, so if anything I would see him having better posture
than most of the others, and sticking rulers down the backs of
his colonies' clothing and forcing them to balance books on their
head. I also figure that America was around the same height as
England during the Revolution, and has gotten slightly taller
since then. I figure that the Civil War would have caused him to
mature a bit more.

I figured that Germany's height should be bumped up too, I just
haven't put much thought into his exact height. Probably
somewhere around 6'2"-6'4".
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:23 pm
Like I said previously, America would just break any rulers shoved down his back until England strapped a steel yardstick to his spine permanently (good luck with that).

Also I bet Mattie wears heels, but not because Francis told him to (even though he probably did) but probably because a) he misses doing it when he was a babby and b) wantstobetallerthanAlfred.
 

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:11 pm
Oh thank you~ I've been wondering their heights and have been too lazy to go on wikia to check! XD

I personaly think that all the hights are fine, except russia's. It seems... off. He really should be taller than that.'''
But ya know, I only compare how tall they would be by what I imagine they would look like standing next to me. (5' 1") so yeahh....
I personally think that america should be just about an inch shorter than listed. Thats just my opinion of course.
*runs*
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:24 am
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:29 pm
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:25 pm
asdf;lkj I hear it in my head every time I read it now!

Also, am I the only one who likes/can stand shorter uke's? Height is just not a big deal to me when it comes to that I guess. And I think it's cute.  

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:27 pm
I don't mind shorter ukes sometimes. It really depends on the
character. I just don't like characters being depicted as shorter
just because they're the uke, or saying that a character is seme
in the relationship just because they're taller.

Like I have no problem with Sweden/Finland and Germany/Italy,
and in those cases I think it's cute. But I don't like when people
drastically exaggerate the height difference between England and
America or France (like even if you make those two taller, England
shouldn't be only coming up to America's shoulder). Or when the
only argument they give for why one character bottoms for the
other is because they're shorter.
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:42 am
Oh I have no problem with tall/short. My OTP is RussLiet, after all! I think that's adorable. I was just saying yeah, I don't like when people change it for that reason, or say someone can't top because they're shorter..  

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:50 am
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Oh I have no problem with tall/short. My OTP is RussLiet, after all! I think that's adorable. I was just saying yeah, I don't like when people change it for that reason, or say someone can't top because they're shorter..


OBVIOUSLY THEIR SHORTNESS IS IN DIRECT CORRELATION WITH THEIR ABILITY TO NAVIGATE THEIR JUNK TOWARD A TALLER MAN'S TRUNK.

obviously

i mean, jeez, arthur would need a gps for everybody.
 
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