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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:23 am
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*The names are altered for privacy
H p I was randomly going through Gaia's guild forum and ran across your guild The Bible. I found the thread on the Roman Catholic church to be interesting. I would like to get your input about something though (seriously, I'm really just curious as to what your answer is. not trying to say you're wrong or anything like that). At the end you stated this: "Salvation by Works Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works" So my question is what are your thoughts on James 2:24-26 (in conjunction with John 3:16 of course)? I ask because I think I know what you're getting at when you mention the works of the Roman Catholic church but I'd just rather ask instead of assume. ^_^
H p Garland-Green There are works that are ordained by God, and there are works that are man made. Traditions that doesn't benefit any. These works are an indication that you are saved. They are made for you to walk in. If they were not then man could boast and say that they are more deserving of salvation then others. Jesus used parables of different threes to describe it. A good three can not bare bad fruit, and likewise a bad three can not bare good fruit, even if it tries it can't. You do them not because of tradition, but because of your own changed nature. All your works will be tried to see the intentions behind them if they are of a pure nature or selfish, even if all your works "burn" up you yourself will be saved, since your salvation is based on the shed blood of Christ. Nothing can be added to the work Jesus did to redeem us, it is a finished work. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. http://www.biblelineministries.org/articles/basearch.php3?action=full&mainkey=FAITH+WITHOUT+WORKSI hope this answered your question. If it didn't I would gladly elaborate. ^^ I love getting private messages, so it is great that you messaged me. God bless you! Thank you for your reply. ^_^ I didn't get to look at the website but I will later (busy with chores at the moment). I appreciate your explanation though.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:27 am
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S T 88 Garland-Green S T 88 Wish to ask a question towards your works. As a brother-in-arms, and not as an enemy. First off...you say your christian, but will ask...what branch is this off? Cause that tells me a lot of your views. Wouldn't want you to be doing something good, but giving bad roads to people to follow right? Will just want to point you in the right direction as to help these lost children...I mourn for the new generation of children...and how lost they are due to how the government is poisoning them with socialist views, and other crap. This world is lost, though if you can help save even a few, through God's given grace that he sees permit, then they will come, but just keep looking for any good sheep out there ok. Do hope to hear back, cause yeah, just wish to help... I always have to be careful. Many who call themselves brothers are not. I don't so much look for what kind of denominations people belong to, since most denominations have teachings that are not Biblical. Which is why I personally would say being saved on a personal level is more important, after all in Heaven there will be no denominations, and we all do belong to the body of Christ. I would say I am non denominational with protestant and Calvinist leanings if that tells you anything. smile You could ask me my views. smile I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. I have nothing to hide. It is the same in every country. Socialism is a step away from being communism. Here were I live they have had plans since the 20's to remove Christianity from the schools and society in general. We know that it is going to get pretty bad across the board, in every country. All we can do is pray and be prepared. XD Well this pretty much tells me your on the right track as it is. ------------------ Having a hard time thinking of anything else to really put here. sweatdrop But, will ask, what are your views. lol (Guess that's what I was really wanting to ask the first time, but...will say quite nervous cause I've never really went off to ask others something like this. o.o) |
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:01 am
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ST88 Garland-Green ST88 Garland-Green Examples of what people ask me: Quote: I was randomly going through Gaia's guild forum and ran across your guild The Bible. I found the thread on the Roman Catholic church to be interesting. I would like to get your input about something though (seriously, I'm really just curious as to what your answer is. not trying to say you're wrong or anything like that). At the end you stated this: "Salvation by Works Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works" So my question is what are your thoughts on James 2:24-26 (in conjunction with John 3:16 of course)? I ask because I think I know what you're getting at when you mention the works of the Roman Catholic church but I'd just rather ask instead of assume. ^_^ Garland-Green Wrote: There are works that are ordained by God, and there are works that are man made. Traditions that doesn't benefit any. These works are an indication that you are saved. They are made for you to walk in. If they were not then man could boast and say that they are more deserving of salvation then others. Jesus used parables of different threes to describe it. A good three can not bare bad fruit, and likewise a bad three can not bare good fruit, even if it tries it can't. You do them not because of tradition, but because of your own changed nature. All your works will be tried to see the intentions behind them if they are of a pure nature or selfish, even if all your works "burn" up you yourself will be saved, since your salvation is based on the shed blood of Christ. Nothing can be added to the work Jesus did to redeem us, it is a finished work. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. http://www.biblelineministries.org/articles/basearch.php3?action=full&mainkey=FAITH+WITHOUT+WORKSI hope this answered your question. If it didn't I would gladly elaborate. ^^ I love getting private messages, so it is great that you messaged me. God bless you! Sums it up right here. ^^ Just keep up the fight here. God bless~ ------------------------------ ** Oh finally thought of something to ask. Any special teachers you listen to? Or any chance you listen to Rapture Ready Radio? Not anyone specifically, though I frequent site like Institute for creation research and gotquestions.org, answers in genesis. smile I like to read a variety of preachers, some I discard because something tells me they are wrong etc. You keep up the fight too. I appreciate the PM. smile One thing I don't so much believe in is the Rapture. I would be willing to lay out why I don't believe in it, using scripture if you wonder why. It is not relevant though to salvation. Hm...I will have to see what's with the Institute place (cause kinda the first time i've seen this) Hm...you should believe in Rapture. Would almost ask why, but I wouldn't want to get into anything big over this, but will try to sway your opinion towards believing. xp ninja You should have a look over at Worldview Radio . Brannon, and the others here talk about some amazing stuff. Though will say mostly listen to Brannon Howse, Cris Pinto, and Crosstalk. Along with that, take a listen to John Macarthur, and maybe even Paul Washer~
What about verses like:
John 17:15
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
It would also mean that Jesus would return Twice. Once in secret and once in the open to establish his Kingdom. I can see no verses to support this in the Bible.
Some use this verse to support the Rapture;
Matthew 24:40
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
But this could also be the separation of the believer from the unbelievers. The finally harvest that will happen when Jesus returns to establish his Millennium kingdom.
I am just saying that it is good to be prepared and trust God to bring you through troubles, instead of relying on escape from trouble and pain. Jesus himself said we can't be expected to be treated any better then what he was treated like. |
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:59 pm
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Garland-Green A member who quit While I approve of your quest to spread God's love I'm afraid I can't approve of your bashing of other religions. Thank you for letting me be a part of the guild but please remove me from the list. While I would love to discuss religion with open minds, I have found few, if any, in your guild. Thank you again and may God bless and keep you until the second coming. Name Bashing is the way I see it to criticize threateningly and without reason. This was not that. It was not meant to crush anyone, but to open eyes. There can not be more than one truth, and since most religions are conflicting it follows that some are going to have to be wrong, and while we are to be respectful when telling someone they are wrong, I certainly don't think we should keep silent when there is something opposing the truth, and especially something as important as the nature of God. If we get that wrong - we get everything wrong. So if something comes of as harsh, accusatory or threatening criticism it is not the intention in itself, but to reveal a lie. It would be a disservice to those who are suffering under a lie if we said nothing, while their souls are in danger. No one in Hell will say; "I am glad I was allowed to believe what I wanted, that no one spoke up when I said I believed what I believed despite knowing I was wrong, and that the preachers I met were so tolerant of my beliefs." Spreading God's love, is also speaking up against wrong beliefs. There is no love without correction and warning. While it is good to have an open mind - meaning being able to evaluate everything in light of scripture, it is not a good quality to have if your mind is so open you accept all concepts without scrutiny. I would like to thank you for taking the time to write to me. I appreciate it. I will pray that God will be with you, and that He will reveal himself to you. -Marius |
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:23 am
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*The names are altered for privacy
KB I can understand having the other versions available in the guild for people o: however, I would like to request that all the announcements and such are using the KJV please c:
Garland-Green I've had the King James Bible in the announcement in the past, but I don't feel like giving it special priority over other translation by allowing it to be the only translation I use in the announcement. There could come a time when I use it again in the announcement, but for now the NIV deserves exposure. Thank you for the feedback though.
KB well, as I am sure you can tell already, I do not approve of the NIV xD especially because there are very big differences in doctrine even the scripture John 3:16 is altered (albeit its one word different, but that one word changes the whole sentence) i dont mean to be argumentative or to come against you ; u ; im just trying to strive for perfection in Christ and I do not agree that we should support any other bible but the original greek/hebrew scriptures and the King James Version c:
Garland-Green John 3:16 (NIV) 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. What is the difference in the sentence meaning between the NIV and the KJV? John 3:16 (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Things can mean the same, though they are worded differently. It is impossible to translate something into a different language without changing it some. I speak two languages and I can tell you if you translate things word for word you'll get some funny, and strange translations. So how about a Bible in my own language then? I don't have the word of God in Norwegian because I don't have the English King James Bible? Would God really operate that limited in the way He offers His salvation message to people, when Jesus said the message was to be spread across the globe, and to all corners of the earth? With any translation sentence structure needs to be altered. Direct word for word translation would render the text unreadable when translated into another language. Same is true of the KJV. Had not the translators used some liberties, you would not be able to read it, as Greek and Hebrew does not have the same sentence structure as English. I am going to let the translators of the KJV say what they thought of their translation. On page 3 of THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER, the King James translators said, "The original there being from heaven, not from the earth, the author’s being God, not man, the editor, the Holy Spirit, not the wit of the apostles." Also on the bottom of page 9 and on the top of page 10 they said that all truth must be tried by the original tongues, the Hebrew and Greek. So the King James translators said the authority was in the originals. This is what Christians have believed throughout Church history.On page 4 the KJV translators said the Septuagint translators were interpreters. They were not prophets. They did many things as learned men but yet as men they stumbled and fell. So the King James translators believed that translation was a purely human work. They made mistakes. On page 6 the King James Translators refer to all the other English versions they had in that day. They say, "Do we condemn the ancient?… We are so far from condemning any of their labors, that translated before us, either in this land or beyond the sea. We acknowledge them to have been raised up of God for the building and furnishing of His church." (See Appendix A, quote 3) So the King James translators did not believe in condemning other translations. We dare not condemn any translation, they say, unlike many people today. The Wycliff English Bible came out in 1382, the Tyndale Bible in 1525, the Coverdale in 1535, the Rogers Bible in 1537, the Great Bible in 1539, the Geneva in 1560 and the Bishops in 1568. So when the King James Bible came out in 1611 there were many English translations just as there are today. But the King James translators did not condemn any. They did not consider other versions to be a curse but said "they had been raised up by God for the furnishing of His church." They did not believe in pointing out errors and belittling other versions of the Bible. This applied to English Translations and "those beyond the sea." They would be totally against attacking other translations like many people are doing today. On page 7, the King James translators say, "Nay, we affirm and avow that the meanest translation of the Bible in English is the word of God." When they say "meanest" they mean the poorest, the worst. So they believed that every translation was the word of God, no matter how many mistakes it had. This is the exact opposite of those who believe the King James is the only Bible for the English speaking people. Those who revere the King James translators so much believe just the opposite of what the translators themselves believed. The translators gave several illustrations to make their point. They said the king’s speech translated into another language is still the king’s speech. A person can be a good person and yet have some imperfections. Someone can be a nice looking person and yet have warts or freckles, they said. And so, likewise, a translation of the Bible may have mistakes but it is still the word of God. They never said that God had promised us a perfect translation in English. This is a very serious point. Because if the poorest translation is the word of God, then if we attack it we are attacking God’s Word. Many people are doing this today. They are blaspheming God’s Word. The King James translators would not belittle and attack the NIV or the NASB as many people do. They had more sense. On page 7 the King James translators said that the Septuagint, or the Seventy, "was faulty in many places. It descended from the original and did not come near it in grandeur or majesty." In other words, the Greek translation which Jesus and the apostles used was not a good translation but they did not try to tear down people’s confidence in it. "Yet which of the apostles did condemn it? Condemn it! Nay! They used it." (page 7 & 8.) The point is that Jesus and the apostles had a faulty translation but they never put it down. They used it and quoted from it. They did not go around tearing down bad translations as some people do today. Do not blaspheme and attack God’s Word just because the translators made some mistakes. Jesus and the apostles did not believe in attacking other translations. The King James translators did not believe in doing that either. THEY DID NOT BELIEVE VARYING TRANSLATIONS AFFECTED DOCTRINE The KJV translators said on page 10, "It hath pleased God in his divine providence, here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment." Because every Bible doctrine is mentioned over and over, it is not possible for a mistranslation in one place to change the teaching of Scripture. No Bible doctrine is dependent on one passage. For example, the Second Coming of Christ is mentioned in over 300 places. If a passage or two were incorrectly translated or left out, still the Bible is clear, Jesus is coming again. The KJV translators understood this truth and said the various readings did not affect "doctrinal points but in matters of less moment."
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