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arcgrafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:46 am
...that show how humane and caring god is, along with how misogyny has no place in Christianism:

Deuteronomy 22:13-21
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;

19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Deuteronomy 22:22-24
22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away the evil from Israel.

23 If there be a damsel that is a virgin betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them to death with stones; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away the evil from the midst of thee.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.


Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets;

12 then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall have no pity.
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:49 am
and my personal favourite:

Deuteronomy 28:15-68
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee.

16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy kneading-trough.

18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, the increase of thy cattle, and the young of thy flock.

19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

20 Jehovah will send upon thee cursing, discomfiture, and rebuke, in all that thou puttest thy hand unto to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the evil of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

21 Jehovah will make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest in to possess it.

22 Jehovah will smite thee with consumption, and with fever, and with inflammation, and with fiery heat, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

24 Jehovah will make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

25 Jehovah will cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies; thou shalt go out one way against them, and shalt flee seven ways before them: and thou shalt be tossed to and from among all the kingdoms of the earth.

26 And thy dead body shall be food unto all birds of the heavens, and unto the beasts of the earth; and there shall be none to frighten them away.

27 Jehovah will smite thee with the boil of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scurvy, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28 Jehovah will smite thee with madness, and with blindness, and with astonishment of heart;

29 and thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and robbed alway, and there shall be none to save thee.

30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build a house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not use the fruit thereof.

31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine a** shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to save thee.

32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people; and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day: and there shall be nought in the power of thy hand.

33 The fruit of thy ground, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway;

34 so that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

35 Jehovah will smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore boil, whereof thou canst not be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the crown of thy head.

36 Jehovah will bring thee, and thy king whom thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation that thou hast not known, thou nor thy fathers; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all the peoples whither Jehovah shall lead thee away.

38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39 Thou shalt plant vineyards and dress them, but thou shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worm shall eat them.

40 Thou shalt have olive-trees throughout all thy borders, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast its fruit.

41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be thine; for they shall go into captivity.

42 All thy trees and the fruit of thy ground shall the locust possess.

43 The sojourner that is in the midst of thee shall mount up above thee higher and higher; and thou shalt come down lower and lower.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 And all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46 and they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47 Because thou servedst not Jehovah thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, by reason of the abundance of all things;

48 therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies that Jehovah shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

49 Jehovah will bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

50 a nation of fierce countenance, that shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young,

51 and shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy ground, until thou be destroyed; that also shall not leave thee grain, new wine, or oil, the increase of thy cattle, or the young of thy flock, until they have caused thee to perish.

52 And they shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fortified walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land; and they shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which Jehovah thy God hath given thee.

53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, whom Jehovah thy God hath given thee, in the siege and in the distress wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee.

54 The man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children whom he hath remaining;

55 so that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat, because he hath nothing left him, in the siege and in the distress wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in all thy gates.

56 The tender and delicate woman among you, who would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

57 and toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children whom she shall bear; for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly, in the siege and in the distress wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, JEHOVAH THY GOD;

59 then Jehovah will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

60 And he will bring upon thee again all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will Jehovah bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou didst not hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God.

63 And it shall come to pass, that, as Jehovah rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so Jehovah will rejoice over you to cause you to perish, and to destroy you; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest in to possess it.

64 And Jehovah will scatter thee among all peoples, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou nor thy fathers, even wood and stone.

65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, and there shall be no rest for the sole of thy foot: but Jehovah will give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and pining of soul;

66 and thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear night and day, and shalt have no assurance of thy life.

67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would it were morning! for the fear of thy heart which thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

68 And Jehovah will bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I said unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall sell yourselves unto your enemies for bondmen and for bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
 

arcgrafia


real eyes realize

Invisible Guildswoman

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:32 am
Christianity as a whole has done a disservice by ignoring YHWH and only concentrating on the merciful nature of Yeshua's first coming and his mission to reconcile everyone back to the Father by telling them to repent instead of stoning them; but when he comes back, he won't be merciful, everything you have quoted is what will happen to the wicked (but on a grander scale: pelted by hailstones, plagues, fires and then some). As for the "curse",

Quote:
Galatians 3:13-14

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.


He is the only exit from the "stoning"/ "purging" pronounced against the planet. The individuals who do not take the offer are going to suffer—the ultimate separation of evil from the good, which is the same principle expressed in the old testament; it is loving to separate the evil from the rest who want to be obedient. One bad apple spoils the bunch. You don't keep rotten fruit in your fridge, do you? Likewise, the adulterous woman (which represents his unfaithful creations) will not be preserved, unless they allow him to renew their body, soul, and spirit. Those who don't stay loyal to him will be destroyed. Physical death isn't even a big deal, it's the second death you should be worried about.

Anyone who seriously studies the bible in the pursuit of truth will find that it is right: humanity is in an awful state, they can either allow YHWH to fix them (repent) or they can choose torture and to ultimately perish.


Quote:
2 Peter 3:9-13

9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


Quote:
Luke 13:2-5

2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”


And the moment when they perish is not at physical death: our sacred texts tell us that there is an afterlife; both the righteous and wicked dead wait in Sheol until judgment day: if they were righteous they wait in Abraham's Bosom (paradise), if not, they wait in the torturous side of Sheol. On judgment day, all the dead come out of Sheol (the righteous and wicked) and they stand before the judge, the books are opened; and at that point, if their name is not found in the Book of Life, they'll experience the second death (thrown into the lake of fire).  
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:50 am
You act like we don't know these things are in the Bible.  

rosadria


arcgrafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:10 am
VK Fox
You act like we don't know these things are in the Bible.


I am supposing that you do know these things. I am just pointing out the nature of these.  
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:24 am
real eyes realize
Christianity as a whole has done a disservice by ignoring YHWH and only concentrating on the merciful nature of Yeshua's first coming and his mission to reconcile everyone back to the Father by telling them to repent instead of stoning them; but when he comes back, he won't be merciful, everything you have quoted is what will happen to the wicked (but on a grander scale: pelted by hailstones, plagues, fires and then some)


I must say that with this I was only trying to point out how utterly inhumane these things are (or I find, it really depends on your point of view). I don't have much to reply,not only because of my set of beliefs but also because of the nature of your answer. You are one of the few people that I have met that acknowledges these things without fear, and I am impressed and even grateful for that in a way. It's interesting to see the whole 'ignoring' process so common nowadays, and how people try to justify this. I will just say this: thank you for acknowledging the existence of these (inhumane) things. Really, thank you (I'm being serious).  

arcgrafia


rosadria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:24 pm
arcgrafia
VK Fox
You act like we don't know these things are in the Bible.


I am supposing that you do know these things. I am just pointing out the nature of these.

We know the nature of what's been said, and we know the nature of the god who said them, and we still choose to follow. What are you trying to do?  
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:41 pm
VK Fox
arcgrafia
VK Fox
You act like we don't know these things are in the Bible.


I am supposing that you do know these things. I am just pointing out the nature of these.

We know the nature of what's been said, and we know the nature of the god who said them, and we still choose to follow. What are you trying to do?


To show how mysogenous and barbaric the nature of this is.  

arcgrafia

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