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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:26 am
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:12 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:01 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:46 am
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:53 am
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Shanna66 castrillo I don't get how you guys can even be friends with someone who looks at you as an unequal undeserving of rights everyone else has. Like, it baffles me. I made sure to drop all my friends with that point of view when I was working on flushing the negativity out of my life for my mental health. if someone is activly fighting against my roghts then i probably wouldnt be friends with them, but if someone just doesnt believe that its right for gays to be married then they have every right to think that. i have quite a few friends who disagree with me on what we consider important issues, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. just using this as an example, my boss doesnt believe in gay marraige. we talk about it sometimes and he is very level headed. the only thing he is doing about it is voting republican. he doesnt make a huge issue about it and neither do i. so far it hasnt brought anything negative to my life because no one i talk to has made it an issue. when my boss found out i was bi he didnt say ew or anything, we just talked about it a bit then went back to work plus if i become friends with these people then later they find out im a filthy bisexual then there is a chance to help change their opinion of lgbt stuff biggrin What do you mean fighting against your rights though? You have to think, realistically, at least, if you live in the US, voting against your rights is the worst thing someone can do to you.
Or are you meaning to say that your friends dont support gay marriage yet vote for equality anyways? Because I really doubt that.
If you were someone of color, would you still be friends with someone who believed in segregation, or who were against inter-racial marriage?
I don't see the point. It's insulting to me that someone could refer to me as a friend yet not believe in my future. neutral
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:02 am
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castrillo Shanna66 castrillo I don't get how you guys can even be friends with someone who looks at you as an unequal undeserving of rights everyone else has. Like, it baffles me. I made sure to drop all my friends with that point of view when I was working on flushing the negativity out of my life for my mental health. if someone is activly fighting against my roghts then i probably wouldnt be friends with them, but if someone just doesnt believe that its right for gays to be married then they have every right to think that. i have quite a few friends who disagree with me on what we consider important issues, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. just using this as an example, my boss doesnt believe in gay marraige. we talk about it sometimes and he is very level headed. the only thing he is doing about it is voting republican. he doesnt make a huge issue about it and neither do i. so far it hasnt brought anything negative to my life because no one i talk to has made it an issue. when my boss found out i was bi he didnt say ew or anything, we just talked about it a bit then went back to work plus if i become friends with these people then later they find out im a filthy bisexual then there is a chance to help change their opinion of lgbt stuff biggrin What do you mean fighting against your rights though? You have to think, realistically, at least, if you live in the US, voting against your rights is the worst thing someone can do to you. Or are you meaning to say that your friends dont support gay marriage yet vote for equality anyways? Because I really doubt that. If you were someone of color, would you still be friends with someone who believed in segregation, or who were against inter-racial marriage? I don't see the point. It's insulting to me that someone could refer to me as a friend yet not believe in my future. neutral
by fighting agaisnt my rights i mean activly telling people that im evil and going to hell, or being an a** like the westbro baptist nutjobs. and voting republican is not the worst thing in the world, there are plenty of other reasons to vote republican besides the gay rights issue. plus the president doesnt have much power to change things state by state so i really dont care
i do have friends who vote democrat and who arent for gay marraige because they realise the only reason they are agaisnt it is because of their beliefs and dont have a good reason to make it illegal in the government. i do the exact same thing with abortion, im agaisnt it but i wont fight agaisnt someone's right to do it because its purely a religous thing
i would not be friends with someone who believed in segregation, that is nothing like what we are talking about right now. that would be like me being friends with someone who didnt want to stand too close to me because they are afraid they might catch the gay
to each their own. i prefer to keep an open mind about the people around me in hopes that i can change their opinions and make this world a bit of a better place
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:10 am
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Shanna66 castrillo Shanna66 castrillo I don't get how you guys can even be friends with someone who looks at you as an unequal undeserving of rights everyone else has. Like, it baffles me. I made sure to drop all my friends with that point of view when I was working on flushing the negativity out of my life for my mental health. if someone is activly fighting against my roghts then i probably wouldnt be friends with them, but if someone just doesnt believe that its right for gays to be married then they have every right to think that. i have quite a few friends who disagree with me on what we consider important issues, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. just using this as an example, my boss doesnt believe in gay marraige. we talk about it sometimes and he is very level headed. the only thing he is doing about it is voting republican. he doesnt make a huge issue about it and neither do i. so far it hasnt brought anything negative to my life because no one i talk to has made it an issue. when my boss found out i was bi he didnt say ew or anything, we just talked about it a bit then went back to work plus if i become friends with these people then later they find out im a filthy bisexual then there is a chance to help change their opinion of lgbt stuff biggrin What do you mean fighting against your rights though? You have to think, realistically, at least, if you live in the US, voting against your rights is the worst thing someone can do to you. Or are you meaning to say that your friends dont support gay marriage yet vote for equality anyways? Because I really doubt that. If you were someone of color, would you still be friends with someone who believed in segregation, or who were against inter-racial marriage? I don't see the point. It's insulting to me that someone could refer to me as a friend yet not believe in my future. neutral by fighting agaisnt my rights i mean activly telling people that im evil and going to hell, or being an a** like the westbro baptist nutjobs. and voting republican is not the worst thing in the world, there are plenty of other reasons to vote republican besides the gay rights issue. plus the president doesnt have much power to change things state by state so i really dont care I never said voting republican. I said voting against your rights. As in, when your state puts marriage equality on the ballot, are your friends going to vote against it? That IS personal insult. That IS actively working against you.
Quote: i do have friends who vote democrat and who arent for gay marraige because they realise the only reason they are agaisnt it is because of their beliefs and dont have a good reason to make it illegal in the government. i do the exact same thing with abortion, im agaisnt it but i wont fight agaisnt someone's right to do it because its purely a religous thing But that's tolerance. You never clarified your friends views other than they don't think you deserve the same rights as they do.
Quote: i would not be friends with someone who believed in segregation, that is nothing like what we are talking about right now. that would be like me being friends with someone who didnt want to stand too close to me because they are afraid they might catch the gay Not really. Segregation is basically saying, "Yes, you can drink water, just not from my water fountain." You can be gay, you just can't get married like the heterosexuals. Someone who doesn't support marriage equality doesn't support a gay persons future/liberty as a citizen. Pretty simple stuff.
Quote: to each their own. i prefer to keep an open mind about the people around me in hopes that i can change their opinions and make this world a bit of a better place Well, I guess that works for you. Just realize everytime you get chummy with them that in the back of their mind they don't look at you the same based off nothing but prejudice. exclaim
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:14 am
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castrillo Shanna66 castrillo Shanna66 castrillo I don't get how you guys can even be friends with someone who looks at you as an unequal undeserving of rights everyone else has. Like, it baffles me. I made sure to drop all my friends with that point of view when I was working on flushing the negativity out of my life for my mental health. if someone is activly fighting against my roghts then i probably wouldnt be friends with them, but if someone just doesnt believe that its right for gays to be married then they have every right to think that. i have quite a few friends who disagree with me on what we consider important issues, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. just using this as an example, my boss doesnt believe in gay marraige. we talk about it sometimes and he is very level headed. the only thing he is doing about it is voting republican. he doesnt make a huge issue about it and neither do i. so far it hasnt brought anything negative to my life because no one i talk to has made it an issue. when my boss found out i was bi he didnt say ew or anything, we just talked about it a bit then went back to work plus if i become friends with these people then later they find out im a filthy bisexual then there is a chance to help change their opinion of lgbt stuff biggrin What do you mean fighting against your rights though? You have to think, realistically, at least, if you live in the US, voting against your rights is the worst thing someone can do to you. Or are you meaning to say that your friends dont support gay marriage yet vote for equality anyways? Because I really doubt that. If you were someone of color, would you still be friends with someone who believed in segregation, or who were against inter-racial marriage? I don't see the point. It's insulting to me that someone could refer to me as a friend yet not believe in my future. neutral by fighting agaisnt my rights i mean activly telling people that im evil and going to hell, or being an a** like the westbro baptist nutjobs. and voting republican is not the worst thing in the world, there are plenty of other reasons to vote republican besides the gay rights issue. plus the president doesnt have much power to change things state by state so i really dont care I never said voting republican. I said voting against your rights. As in, when your state puts marriage equality on the ballot, are your friends going to vote against it? That IS personal insult. That IS actively working against you. Quote: i do have friends who vote democrat and who arent for gay marraige because they realise the only reason they are agaisnt it is because of their beliefs and dont have a good reason to make it illegal in the government. i do the exact same thing with abortion, im agaisnt it but i wont fight agaisnt someone's right to do it because its purely a religous thing But that's tolerance. You never clarified your friends views other than they don't think you deserve the same rights as they do. Quote: i would not be friends with someone who believed in segregation, that is nothing like what we are talking about right now. that would be like me being friends with someone who didnt want to stand too close to me because they are afraid they might catch the gay Not really. Segregation is basically saying, "Yes, you can drink water, just not from my water fountain." You can be gay, you just can't get married like the heterosexuals. Someone who doesn't support marriage equality doesn't support a gay persons future/liberty as a citizen. Pretty simple stuff. Quote: to each their own. i prefer to keep an open mind about the people around me in hopes that i can change their opinions and make this world a bit of a better place Well, I guess that works for you. Just realize everytime you get chummy with them that in the back of their mind they don't look at you the same based off nothing but prejudice. exclaim
i can see that im not changing your opinion on this and im sure you can guess that you arent changing mine, how about we just end this so i dont have to sit here trying to explain every little detail about the people i know wink
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:15 am
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:39 pm
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