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Spirit Reborn

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:59 am
I was watching a YouTube video from actionjones YouTube channel and saw someone comment with the following:
What are your thoughts?


Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18 ). Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, probably the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content with his position, he desired to be higher than God, and that was his downfall, the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Renamed Satan, he brought sin to the human race in the Garden of Eden, where he tempted Adam and Eve with the same enticement, “you shall be like God.”

Genesis 3 describes Adam and Eve’s rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam’s descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Through Adam, the inherent inclination to sin entered the human race, and human beings became sinners by nature. When Adam sinned, his inner nature was transformed by his sin of rebellion, bringing to him spiritual death and depravity which would be passed on to all who came after him. We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed-on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Another type of sin is known as imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated “imputed” means “to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account.” Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13). Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign (Romans 5:14). All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.

God used the principle of imputation to benefit mankind when He imputed the sin of believers to the account of Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for that sin—death—on the cross. Imputing our sin to Jesus, God treated Him as if He were a sinner, though He was not, and had Him die for the sins of the entire world (1 John 2:2). It is important to understand that sin was imputed to Him, but He did not inherit it from Adam. He bore the penalty for sin, but He never became a sinner. His pure and perfect nature was untouched by sin. He was treated as though He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by the human race, even though He committed none. In exchange, God imputed the righteousness of Christ to believers and credited our accounts with His righteousness, just as He had credited our sins to Christ’s account (2 Corinthians 5:21).

A third type of sin is personal sin, that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins, everything from seemingly innocent untruths to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. However,

believers have been freed from the eternal penalty of sin—hell and spiritual death—but now we also have the power to resist sinning.

Now we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them (Romans 8:9-11).

Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

We are all three times condemned due to inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin. The only just penalty for this sin is death (Romans 6:23), not just physical death but eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). Thankfully, inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin have all been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now by faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior “we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).

THERE IS NO SIN A BELIEVER COULD COMMIT THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS NOT ALREADY PAID FOR WITH HIS LIFE. OUR LIVES ARE NOT OUR OWN. WE BELONG TO CHRIST. LET US LIVE HIM IN US BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS OUR SEAL UNTIL ETERNAL LIFE IS OURS AND WE ARE PERFECTED IN OUR BELOVED LORD AND SAVIOR WHEN HE CALLS US UP TO HIM AND WE ARE FINALLY FINISHED WITH OUR SIN NATURE.
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:33 am
Whether Satan was the first one to ever sin, I don't know. I'd say scripture does not provide enough evidence to support that claim (that he was the first). All we know is that he got prideful and transgressed God. He might be the first sinner, but I'm not aware of any verse (or of passages) implying this nor explicitly saying this. There's always the chance that I could just simply not be aware of those verses and am pulling a brain fart. If anyone knows what he/she is referring to, do provide the verse/passages. I would like to know.

Also, "the three times condemned" bit, I would've said two times (inherited and personal) because I'm not aware of somebody coming to me, placing their hands on me, to impute their sin on my body, lol. Though I suppose that anyone trying to do that (impute their sin on someone) could not achieve it if the person was in covenant with Jesus; under those circumstances, that does sound right afterall.

So, excluding the assertion about Satan (because I'm not sure of the verses in favor of such a claim), I would agree with their comment.  

real eyes realize

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Spirit Reborn

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:57 am
real eyes realize


I'm not quite sure if Satan was the first to sin either sweatdrop
Not sure if I misunderstood on my part but it seems like it's not exactly someone imputing their sin on another person- but more like the sins themselves have been imputed to the person "After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13)."
But yeah, that would be a bit worrisome if someone could impute their sin on me D:
Thank you for your input 3nodding it was enlightening to read about sin in a different way [at least for me]  
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:59 pm
real eyes realize
Whether Satan was the first one to ever sin, I don't know. I'd say scripture does not provide enough evidence to support that claim (that he was the first). All we know is that he got prideful and transgressed God. He might be the first sinner, but I'm not aware of any verse (or of passages) implying this nor explicitly saying this. There's always the chance that I could just simply not be aware of those verses and am pulling a brain fart. If anyone knows what he/she is referring to, do provide the verse/passages. I would like to know.

Also, "the three times condemned" bit, I would've said two times (inherited and personal) because I'm not aware of somebody coming to me, placing their hands on me, to impute their sin on my body, lol. Though I suppose that anyone trying to do that (impute their sin on someone) could not achieve it if the person was in covenant with Jesus; under those circumstances, that does sound right afterall.

So, excluding the assertion about Satan (because I'm not sure of the verses in favor of such a claim), I would agree with their comment.


The way I understand it is (I could be wrong) is that Satan is the father of those who do evil. Denoting that he is the origin of their actions - the origin of evil (sin). If he was not the origin of sin (the first to sin) - he would not be their father. "The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning."

1 John 3:8
The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.

John 8:31-47
Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”

39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

From what I gather also Satan fell somewhere close to the last day of creation week, so it is likely he was the first to fall. Answers in Genesis did an article about it: What about Satan and the Origin of Evil?
 

Garland-Green

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real eyes realize

Invisible Guildswoman

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:21 pm
@ Garland: Oh right, that would be it sweatdrop lol

edit: but the AiG article saying that Satan = Abaddon I think is error: Satan doesn't get imprisoned until Jesus returns to start reigning and then gets released after the millenial reign; what is he doing in an abyss while Jesus is opening seals and trumpets are being blown (so, in an abyss before Jesus' return/before his millenial reign)? Furthermore, Abaddon can only punish those who don't have God's seal. But Satan and his children are the ones persecuting us during the tribulation. Abaddon actually sounds like a good guy.

@ Spirit: Ah, I had to read it a little more carefully. I see what they're saying. My mind jumped to the verses about scapegoats / azazel razz

Quote:
Leviticus 16:21-22 (NIV)

21 He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.
 
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