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Lady Vizsla

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:57 pm
by Bodie Hodge

Romans 15:33 calls God a God of peace, but Exodus 15:3 calls Him a man of war. Is this a contradiction? Bodie Hodge, AiG–US, explains.

Romans 15:33 calls God a God of peace, but Exodus 15:3 calls Him a man of war.

The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is His name. (Exodus 15:3)

Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. (Romans 15:33)

The most basic answer to this supposed contradiction is that both statements are true depending on the time and context. With that in mind, let’s examine a couple different ways we can look at this.

First, consider the fact that war is often fought for the purpose of bringing about peace. During World War II, Europe and Asia were engulfed in fighting. Sitting on the sideline was the United States, hoping that this situation would be resolved without our involvement. The U.S. wanted peace, not war.

On December 7, 1941, Japanese pilots made a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor that launched the U.S. into war against Japan. That prompted Hitler to declare war on the US, bringing the country into both fronts. The U.S. became a nation of war in an effort to be a nation of peace and to help bring peace to the world at that time.

In the same way, God is a God of peace. He created an originally perfect, peaceful world that has been subjected to war only because of mankind’s rebellion. Of course, God knew this, had a plan for victory, and offers a time when peace will reign for eternity. However, bringing about this peace often includes the necessity of war.

The context of these passages is also significant. In Exodus, the oppressed Israelites had just been set free from their harsh oppressors, and God fought the battle at the crossing of the Red Sea. The beautiful metaphor in Exodus 15:3, “"the Lord is a man of war",” reveals the ease, power, and control God had over the situation, doing battle against an oppressing army of Egyptians.

Furthermore, we must consider the recipients of war and the recipients of peace. God has never promised peace to the wicked. In fact, He has stated exactly the opposite. “"‘There is no peace,’ says the Lord, ‘for the wicked’"” (Isaiah 48:22). The promises of peace in Romans 15 and elsewhere are given to God’s people alone. We should also understand that the peace God gives does not always mean avoidance of trouble, but rather it means we will have God’s comfort and assurance while going through difficult times.

In the grand scheme of things, God did not only fight against the Egyptians on behalf of the Israelites, but His ultimate war is against sin and death. Christ conquered these foes on the Cross and now offers peace to those who trust in Him. Paul expounds on this peace in Romans and other epistles (e.g., Romans 5:1, 10:15, 16:20; Philippians 4:7, 9; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 3:16; Hebrews 13:20). Because they are in Christ, Christians are no longer at war, but rather have peace with God (Ephesians 2:3, 14, 16). A God of peace and a God of war are not in contradiction.  
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:21 am
Nicely put. smile

Some other verses about war. Just listing them because they are interesting;

Psalm 2:8-9
Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.'"

Revelation 19:15
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.

Isaiah 45:24
"They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

Daniel 2:34-35
"You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

Isaiah 60:12
"For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will be utterly ruined.  

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Lady Vizsla

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:37 am
Garland-Green
Nicely put. smile

Some other verses about war. Just listing them because they are interesting;

Psalm 2:8-9
Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.'"

Revelation 19:15
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.

Isaiah 45:24
"They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

Daniel 2:34-35
"You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

Isaiah 60:12
"For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will be utterly ruined.


Thanks these are also insightful smile  
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