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Me Member#1 Me Member#1 So is your solution less individual freedom? If that freedom includes one person hurting another, yes. Define "hurting another." There are already a myriad of laws governing that. It's already illegal to defraud another person of money and property, to cause them bodily harm, to cause another person's death, etc. That's the first mistake and a lawyers dream...everything has to be "defined" when a basic rule of not hurting another human being should be clear enough. This should by inteligent people cover anything a person owns as well. The only thing I would add to the rule of not hurting another human is, if the injury is accidental or deliberate they should be dealth with differently.
Member #1 Me Member#1 Me Member#1 I say there are already plenty of rules (laws) in place that take care of "hurting another human being." You seem to disagree. So which individual freedoms would you do away with in the interest of harmony? Seriously, you made a general statement that "most people when granted too much freedom to do as they please more often than not cannot control themselves and avoid hurting others." When I replied by asking if doing away with individual freedoms was what you had in mind and then which ones that aren't covered by existing laws, you insulted me by saying intelligent people wouldn't have to ask such a question. So again, what freedoms would you do away with? You made the point that there are too many rules. I made the point that we could do away with alot of useless rules if we just abided by the one simple rule of not hurting others. Whats so hard to understand about that being less rules than all the ones we now have gracing the shelves of every lawyers office? I see, you would have us all Christ-like in our simplicity: Jesus of Nazareth at Luke 6:31 27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you. That's very admirable, but not how I understood you at the start: "most people when granted too much freedom to do as they please more often than not cannot control themselves and avoid hurting others." I merely ask, what is "too much freedom" in the context of your statement? Say smoking marijuanna was legalized in all of the US. Do you think the supporters of this wouldn't want other drugs legalized as well? How long do you think it would take before they'd be pushing others who didn't want to smoke it, to smoke it? Or to do the drugs? Would those who refused to do drugs be respected for their decisions? Or would they be ridiculed for their decisions and called freaks? This society, regardless that it says it wants to be accepting of others choices, it is not. I know society is not as accepting of others' choice as it says it is, trust me, I do, but that's not what we're talking about. If marijuana were legalized, yes, I would expect further efforts to get other drugs legalized. It could happen, too, I suppose. I'm not betting any money on it, but it could happen. I do not, however, think that if grass were legal, people would be pushed into smoking it, or called freaks or ridiculed. Lots of people have never smoked tobacco, I've never seen a non-smoker treated that way. Lots of people don't drink alcohol, and I've never seen a non-drinker abused the way you describe. Not even back in the bad old days when both those activities were socially acceptable. Again, please describe what you mean by "too much freedom" in the context of what you said about people hurting each other. How much freedom is too much freedom? Wow. I've described enough of what I'm talking about for you to get the picture. Especially when one looks at the world the way it is today and tries to imagine a let it all hang out society. I do believe that drugs will be legalized one day soon. I also believe that the laws restricting sex with minors will disappear as everyone will believe that as long as it's dealt with "maturely", theres nothing wrong with it. But, do you think if the laws that legalized sex with minors where in place that after a while the ones having sex with minors would not point their fingers at those parents/guardians who wanted to protect their children and and say the parents/guardians were actually abusing their children by protecting them? Can you, after considering this constant law twisting society that we live in today, not see this unfolding? Theres already third party laws in place in most states, those without it are going to get them passed soon, where anyone who does not agree with how one is raising their children can take the parents/guardians to court and remove the children from the home. Schools are rampant with kids that are sexually active and they pressure those who are not. This resorts to hateful teasing, ostrasizing and in increasing cases, outright force. This is the "too much freedom" that I'm talking about and the results are in the world around us.
Irahatam · Wed Jan 23, 2008 @ 01:01pm · 0 Comments |
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