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I would have commented favorable on some of this members poetry as some of it was really amazing and thought provoking.
But the insults not only to me but to everyone, ruined any hope for me to be objectionable enough and give this member a positive remark.
Posts begin at the bottom of the page and move up...
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sappy. time of year don't mean s**t.
hope it gets you laid, though. good luck.
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His gripe with another members work...
well. feelings are important, i guess.
if you're keeping a journal.
since you're trying to create something of artistic value, here, i'd work on the skill.
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The other members reply to him...
I love how you're always trying to take any feeling whatsoever out of other people's poetry, yet most of yours is trite overemotional crap. True, this may not be the most artistic of expressions that i have ever seen, but at least if he keeps it up, he may have a shot at making money.
The point is still the same, though. You can't really be a writer without emotion. Yes, it takes a large amount of skill, wordplay, knowhow, and practice, but telling someone that emotion is only good for journal writing is just plain retarded. Especially if all you write is what you think others want/what you think others perceive as "great".
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His reply...
yeah. that's why i'm all the time bitching about s**t needing more heart.
but, you know. when there's all sorts of heart and a lack of skill . . . .
well. if you haven't pieced it together and started feeling like an a**, yet, i just don't have the energy to see it through. the kid obviously needs work on the ins and outs.
ps. i ttly said emotionz are only good for journaling.
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oh, i might believe. i know how entertained i am, right now. though i missed the part where i said anything about your cursing (just sayin').
and please: keep the "silent masses == justification" bit running as long as you can. it's pretty sweet stuff.
whoever called troll on you is quite likely right.
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His comment about a horribly crass poem...
******** EXCELLENT.
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His last post to me...
also, i'd just like to point something out:
i haven't even been cursing at you in this thread, sweetcheeks. (thats all he had been doing in his post to me)
me.
though cussin' n spittin' ain't ban-hammer offenses.
******** i haven't even insulted you. i've just pointed out a lot of the places your so-called poems fail.
if i'm being polite, you ain't got much room to piss and moan.
just sayin'.
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Another post to me...lololol.
i like how, in its world,
disliking bad pseudo-poetry == pretentiousness, jadedness, etc.
i "outright attacked," but it wasn't verbally. just for the record. it was textually.
because the s**t is bad. still. just sayin'.
but let's talk keats. there was a man who was as ******** pretentious as a person with consumption could get. he knew his s**t. he lived his s**t. he worked his s**t.
he studied the best. he learned from the best.
he knew the value of criticism and revision.
so learn from keats.
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well. feelings are important, i guess.
if you're keeping a journal.
since you're trying to create something of artistic value, here, i'd work on the skill.
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He only commented decently when it was poetry like his own...funny. i bought some tupac, tonight.
lesson here:
listen to more tupac.
(and more dead prez, wu tang, and rakim.)
then play with words a while.
then try again...
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LOLOL!
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His comment to me...
i'm just saying: anyone who writes poetry this bad hasn't read much good poetry. if any.
and i stand by the statement.
though it is kind of funny to see somebody with rhyme that awful b***h about "contrived" poetry.
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LOLOLOL O SHET U GAWT MI!!1!!!!!!!!!11!1!11!11!1
except not. this was on the second page.
read the stickies to avoid making an a** of yourself in the future.
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would someone please step up and point out the utter failure of this?
i'm too drunk to handle it, right now.
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well.
someone's entirely irrelevant.
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and i was playing basketball in '98, when jordan won his last ring.
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these are all absolutely awful.
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up.
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way ahead of you. thank god for miller lite tallboys bought by others and left in your fridge.
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up into the heavens.
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yeah.
hyphenate that, and kill the comma at line 7.
useful uselessness complete.
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we're fagging che's thread all to hell.
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yeah, there was a (mostly unfunny) troll who started using that name while i was using the ignatius handle.
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INSIGHTFULLY WORDED!
if you feel the need to muse further, do so in the chatterbox. no bumping or idle chatter of any kind is allowed on the first page of this forum.
read the stickies before posting here again.
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no, i'm definitely not sexy enough to be verne.
but my last account was V for Venereal Disease for a long time.
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aww. i should change my username back.
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neither bumping on the first page nor advertising are allowed in this forum, champ.
read the ******** stickies before posting here again.
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My comment to another member...
Poetry should be shared but with some members more willing to insult other peoples work, alot of poems that should be shared are never posted.
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CLEVER!
listen, champ. you wrote some awful pseudo-poems. you posted them in a workshop forum (i might also mention that you apparently didn't bother to read the stickies). i pointed out the problems with your junk. you've tried to get bitchy with me and others.
there's really no need to follow me around, now, as though your hand's glued to my a**. it's just going to suck for you.
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Another member gets itrate with him...
Dude what the hell is your problem??!!! If you have a problem with poetry, than get the hell out of a topic about poetry. Back off dude, you are the worst kind of people. In real-life you're just some loser with no life, that has to judge other people just for your own satisfaction!
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YEZ LAWLZ I TTLY M JUGING U!!1!!1!1!1!
(N YS LAWLZ I TTLY M A TROL!!!1!!1!1!1!!111)
i ain't judging anybody, so quit assuming s**t, junior. i've been writing poetry longer than pretty much anyone else around here, in fact, and i love poetry. i love reading it, and i love writing it.
HOWEVER this s**t here ain't poetry.
doesn't mean i agree with every retarded and/or asinine claim that some kid on the internet makes regarding the art i love. in fact, because i love poetry, i feel compelled to call bullshit on people when they attempt to appropriate the art i love for moronic ends.
in this situation, poetry is not a means of LULZ CHNGNG TEH WURLD!!1!!!1!!!!!111 at least, it's not a very effective way of enacting change.
and, furthermore, not all poetry is good. some poetry, in fact, is quite bad. in a workshop forum, the goal is to make each other's poetry better.
so. let's think before we speak and be careful who we get pissy with (and who we call a troll), as they may have a more substantiated opinion on matters than we do.
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He quoted me again...
hey, thank you for recognizing what you want, understanding the purpose these critical forums are meant to serve, and subsequently choosing to share your work elsewhere. it's really nice when people read the stickies and don't waste others' time.
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My comment...
Poetry should be shared but with some members more willing to insult other peoples work, alot of poems that should be shared are never posted.
His reply...
CLEVER!
listen, champ. you wrote some awful pseudo-poems. you posted them in a workshop forum (i might also mention that you apparently didn't bother to read the stickies). i pointed out the problems with your junk. you've tried to get bitchy with me and others.
there's really no need to follow me around, now, as though your hand's glued to my a**. it's just going to suck for you.
( his comment was after mine...and he accused me of "following him" around the forum. I never quoted him once so, who was following who?)
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After this comment to me he got warned about his language...
holy ********.
have you even thought for a second about what you just typed?
how in the hell can poetry "speak" something?
poetry is nothing but words strung together.
really. jesus s**t. come on.
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Another comment to me...you've read what, exactly?
you've read plath? you've read hoagland, tate, and the wrights? johnson, skinner, bukowski, edson, bly, sexton, carver, gluck? you've read neruda and lorca?
i doubt it so bad it almost makes me ache.
just what have you read?
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Then he quoted me and started following me around the forum and quoting me everytime I commented on someone elses work...
My comment...
I like the insight and the revelation on your poem. I kept hoping things would get better in it and when it didn't I didn't mind so much because it all fell together nicely at the end and made sense.
My favorite part was...
You're Secretly a Monster
You're Almost Being True
My Worst Fears Are Evolving
They're Turning Me To you
I'm not a poetry lover as most times it's forced and contrived. But yours wasn't and thats whats so fresh about it.
Nice poem.
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His words...
jesus ******** christ. rhyming "true" with "you"--not to mention the silly capitalization--is pretty much the textbook definition of "forced and contrived."
seriously, kid. what you've highlighted here is a prime example of why this poem is bad. this is a sentiment that's been expressed in this very way a billion times by a billion teenagers since Darwin presented his theory of evolution. plus, the wording is convoluted and barely readable, and it's entirely abstract, without grounding in physical reality--the main means by which the poet can effectively express ideas to the reader. now follow me closely, here:
that. is. not. a. good. thing. when. you. are. writing. poetry.
period.
you've got to express your thoughts in a fresh way. you've got to speak the words we've never heard before. that's the essence of poetry.
again: period.
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His comments to me were the longest he ever made...
if by "where an education gets you guys" you mean "the ability to spot a steaming pile of bad poetry," then yeah, pretty much.
reading bad poetry gets old pretty quickly once you've read good poetry, and i had a lot more fun making a silly game out of the metaphorical door you opened than i had reading your so-called poems.
just sayin'.
again: read the stickies. read good poetry. learn. it'll avoid a lot of embarrassment on your end.
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i think you submitted to poetry.com, which is a complete ******** scam.
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why in the ******** did you capitalize every word? is it supposed to draw attention away from the terrible rhyme, horrible cliches, and lack of fresh imagery?
if so, it ain't working.
try reading the stickies.
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anyone on a hunt for boredom, probably
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He only complimented those who wrote vulgar poetry...actually, it could be a prose poem, which is what i told you the first time around.
poetry does not, in any way, require broken lines or lines traditionally arranged into stanzas. research the prose poem, and try having a look at the works of folks like baudelaire, russell edson, robert bly, james tate, and karen volkman.
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oh look it.
111ers.
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poetry doesn't mean s**t. if you want to make a difference, use your voice and just speak your ******** heart without hiding behind artifice.
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hey. champ.
keep it to one new thread a day.
read the stickies before posting here again.
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First remark to me...
well. the poetry in the thread's pretty ******** sketchy. bargain-basement quality, if you will.
you've stacked up some folding tables with unwearable abstractions, out-of-season cliche expressions, poorly-stitched rhyme, and a general lack of properly-fitting fresh imagery, and you're asking us to buy it.
ain't gonna happen.
try reading the stickies for some patterns and instructions on how to make high-quality poetic clothing with the silk of concrete imagery and some metaphor-based thread b***h.
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it's a prose poem. if anything.
just sayin'.
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i wonder what would happen if someone competent created a "post your s**t here" thread and other competent people came along and posted stuff that didn't suck.
i think it'd probably be pretty neat.
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new rule:
anyone who tries to write an "anthem" of any sort should be kicked in the balls. repeatedly.
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stop ******** bumping on the first page, champ.
read the stickies before posting here again.
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******** awful.
quit trying to exploit the shittiness of this world in an attempt to make a LULZKEWL ANTHM LYK GUD CHARLUT sort of poem. try putting your heart on the page, via fresh imagery and metaphorical language.
read the stickies.
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absolutely s**t awful.
a lack of fresh imagery, reliance on cliches, boring rhyme, and grammatical errors out the a**.
in all honesty, it'd be embarrassing to enter this in any sort of competition.
and stop ******** bumping on the first page. read the stickies before posting here again.
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i am so utterly depressed it's unreal.
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yawn.
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HEY.
N00B.
STOP ******** BUMPING AND READ THE DAMN STICKIES BEFORE POSTING AGAIN.
THANKS.
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guess i'll be working in this thread for a while, now.
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hangouts aren't allowed.
again: read the stickies.
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read the ******** stickies. i ain't spoon-feeding it to you.
IANK.
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******** reported.
with a little luck, the mods'll be on this as quick as they're on my a**.
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the violent end of the s**t-packing is very, very important
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third page. huh.
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isn't this kid a troll from back when?
i'm pretty sure i remember the name.
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they wouldn't let me use the term "********" as part of a username.
homophobic bastards.
 Irahatam · Tue Feb 12, 2008 @ 11:05am · 0 Comments |
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